Comments on: Rachel Maddow exposes Tim Phillips’ astroturf http://whitenoiseinsanity.com/2009/10/16/rachel-maddow-exposes-tim-phillips-astroturf/ Politicians…don’t piss down our backs and then tell us it’s raining! Fri, 30 Jul 2010 01:00:56 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: kayinmaine http://whitenoiseinsanity.com/2009/10/16/rachel-maddow-exposes-tim-phillips-astroturf/comment-page-1/#comment-71035 kayinmaine Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:56:42 +0000 http://whitenoiseinsanity.com/?p=10375#comment-71035 Yes, Rachel's time could have been better spent last night talking about something else, but I was one who spent an hour of my life watching an empty balloon float in the sky, so honestly....I loved <em>HER</em> diversion! LOL Yes, Rachel’s time could have been better spent last night talking about something else, but I was one who spent an hour of my life watching an empty balloon float in the sky, so honestly….I loved HER diversion! LOL

]]> By: Jim in Michigan http://whitenoiseinsanity.com/2009/10/16/rachel-maddow-exposes-tim-phillips-astroturf/comment-page-1/#comment-71024 Jim in Michigan Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:41:04 +0000 http://whitenoiseinsanity.com/?p=10375#comment-71024 I don't disagree with anything you say, I guess my real point is that it is a waste of energy spending like 20 minutes trying to get him to admit that he's not grass roots, when that time could be spent tearing apart their lies and distortions. I don't think exposing them is going to have an effect on the idiots who believe what they are saying. They don't seem to care that they are pawns in their game and the MSM, as usual, doesn't seem to care either. I don’t disagree with anything you say, I guess my real point is that it is a waste of energy spending like 20 minutes trying to get him to admit that he’s not grass roots, when that time could be spent tearing apart their lies and distortions. I don’t think exposing them is going to have an effect on the idiots who believe what they are saying. They don’t seem to care that they are pawns in their game and the MSM, as usual, doesn’t seem to care either.

]]> By: kayinmaine http://whitenoiseinsanity.com/2009/10/16/rachel-maddow-exposes-tim-phillips-astroturf/comment-page-1/#comment-71019 kayinmaine Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:14:21 +0000 http://whitenoiseinsanity.com/?p=10375#comment-71019 True Jim, but most of the left wing grassroots under George Bush were started by average Americans. When they took off, it was guys like Soros who gave money in support. What Phillips, Koch, Armey, and others are doing is they're creating the campaign with their money & power and then going out in search for members. Soros did not create Moveon.org, Center for American Progress and other lefty groups. The people did. He just got excited and gave money to these groups. See the difference? I do. It looks really bad that the oil industry is behind these anti-global-warming campaigns. Had Joe Schmoe been the one to have started the outrage, that would have been one thing....but that's not what has happened. The right wing lobbying groups are behind these astroturf campaigns. True Jim, but most of the left wing grassroots under George Bush were started by average Americans. When they took off, it was guys like Soros who gave money in support. What Phillips, Koch, Armey, and others are doing is they’re creating the campaign with their money & power and then going out in search for members. Soros did not create Moveon.org, Center for American Progress and other lefty groups. The people did. He just got excited and gave money to these groups. See the difference? I do.

It looks really bad that the oil industry is behind these anti-global-warming campaigns. Had Joe Schmoe been the one to have started the outrage, that would have been one thing….but that’s not what has happened. The right wing lobbying groups are behind these astroturf campaigns.

]]> By: Jim In Michigan http://whitenoiseinsanity.com/2009/10/16/rachel-maddow-exposes-tim-phillips-astroturf/comment-page-1/#comment-71018 Jim In Michigan Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:55:09 +0000 http://whitenoiseinsanity.com/?p=10375#comment-71018 I saw that last night and my takeaway was that he held his own pretty good against her with the exception of the astroturf issue. Rachel does play the guilt by association game with the best of them. I love her, don't get me wrong, but her outrage sometimes is over the top. I think his Soros point was a good one, that just because someone rich is financing something doesn't inheritantly make it bad. Instead of being hung up on who funds them and whether they are grass roots or not, Rachel should have taken him on - on the issues, hammer his points, counter what they are trying to sell, instead of trying to attack their credibility, there supporters aren't going to listen to Rachel anyway, but if she were to take him on about the issues, she might have a chance to change some minds. I love Rachel, though, but don't always get the motivation for her outrage. I saw that last night and my takeaway was that he held his own pretty good against her with the exception of the astroturf issue. Rachel does play the guilt by association game with the best of them. I love her, don’t get me wrong, but her outrage sometimes is over the top. I think his Soros point was a good one, that just because someone rich is financing something doesn’t inheritantly make it bad. Instead of being hung up on who funds them and whether they are grass roots or not, Rachel should have taken him on – on the issues, hammer his points, counter what they are trying to sell, instead of trying to attack their credibility, there supporters aren’t going to listen to Rachel anyway, but if she were to take him on about the issues, she might have a chance to change some minds. I love Rachel, though, but don’t always get the motivation for her outrage.

]]> By: kayinmaine http://whitenoiseinsanity.com/2009/10/16/rachel-maddow-exposes-tim-phillips-astroturf/comment-page-1/#comment-71017 kayinmaine Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:22:38 +0000 http://whitenoiseinsanity.com/?p=10375#comment-71017 Bravo Rachel! Bravo Rachel!

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