Well, of course she did! Sen. Susan Collins of Maine is a douchebag. The only thing she cares about along with her neocon counterparts is Big Business and the Military Industrial Complex (MIC) and nothing else. If Big Business & the MIC are not receiving welfare benefits from the American taxpayer then she and others like her will drop to the floor and have a temper tantrum!
Whistleblowers and oversight of Big Business and the MIC is garlic to Darth Susan! She does not want either to be accountable to the American people. Gerald of Turn Maine Blue has MORE ON HOW COLLINS IS MORE LIKE DARTH CHENEY RATHER THAN A LIBERAL REPUBLICAN AS SHE’S RUMORED TO BE.
Darth Susan & Cheney….
So, don’t be fooled by Sen. Susan Collins. She’s one of those surface people who hopes you believe the rumor about her that she’s a moderate, when really, she isn’t.
As far as President Obama’s economic stimulus bill goes….it was a better bill in it’s original form then how it ended up after Collins and others got their mitts on it. The End. President Obama has said that this economic stimulus bill is one leg of the stool and most likely another one will be needed at some point, because after 8 years of George Bush Economics, the nation’s stool is completely broken!
It appears the Democrats did so some ‘paying back’ against the republicans once Nancy got her hands on the Senate version of the economic stimulus bill:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/11/payback-dems-strip-busine_n_166186.html
The Huffington Post has more articles on their front page if you’re interested in reading them:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
Hi Kay…
My question is: What does Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe do for the good citizens of Maine that they keep getting reelected?
Maine is not a wealthy state by any means and suffered heavily under the reign of (t)errors under the Bushistas as the rest of us in the country. It’s obvious that Suzie brazenly aligned herself with those monsters, yet she was reelected by Mainers.
Is it the cold winters an unbalanced diet; ie., too much potatoes and lobster on the dinner table with no veggies or what…?
Now we have to suffer these two female senators from Maine as being the swing “powerbrokers” concerning this most recent aid package.
Carl Nemo **==
Kay, to be honest, in my opinion, the Whistleblower protections do not really belong in any Stimulus package. Hopefully the democrats will present it as a stand alone bill in the near future.I just wonder if they used it as cannon fodder for the republicans, to make them appear bipartisan?
If we don’t see the democrats try and pass the Whistleblower protections in the future it tells me that they really weren’t/ aren’t serious or interested in protecting those who put their jobs on the line when reporting fraud or corruption. Time will tell.
By the way what is up with Collins siding with the democrats on the stimulus package anyway. She was jusr re-elected wasn’t she? It’s not like she needs to try and round up any democratic support in Maine. Kay, Chris, fill me in.
Woo hoo Kay! That is great news about the democrats stripping away some of the business tax cuts out of the bill. Phuck the republicans and their time tested, proven failed policies!
66% Of American Corporations Pay Zero Federal Income Tax.
Nearly two-thirds of U.S. companies and 68% of foreign corporations do not pay federal income taxes, according to a congressional report released Tuesday.
The Government Accountability Office (GAO) examined samples of corporate tax returns filed between 1998 and 2005. In that time period, an annual average of 1.3 million U.S. companies and 39,000 foreign companies doing business in the United States paid no income taxes – despite having a combined $2.5 trillion in revenue.
Wow this really blows the republican myth out of the water doesn’t it? If 68% of American corporations do not pay corporate taxes then the repeated republican mantra of US corporations pay the highest taxes in the world really is irrelevant isn’t it.
Perhaps if these 68% did pay their fair share everything would work out but as long as they get away with this legally or not it is obviously other companies and Americans who pay their fair share shoulder the burden for those 68%.
She is an embarrassment. I wish Mainers had made the right choice in November, but oh well.
Fessie,
Ever work in the private sector? Ever own a business? The IRS system favors the companies, and individuals, who can manipulate the system and they do that by paying high priced accountants and lawyers to figure out how to do it. Trusts for the wealthy are a great way to avoid paying taxes and something the rich have used for years. On the other hand small business pay a huge amount in taxes if they are run well enough to make any money. This is why we need a fair tax so the underground economy pays as well as everyone else including the rich.
Politicians, both sides, hate the idea of a fair/consumption/flat tax because they loose control of the main thing they have to manipulate the American people and that is how can we spend your money and how can we get more.
I know the argument about a flat/consumption tax hurts the poor but there can be provisions that can be built into it that will remedy that disparity.
Yo skudmarks the supposed “fairtax” hurts those who spend more of their income because it is usually based on consumption instead of ALL income, which means it is regressive cause the lower levels of the economy spend almost all of their income and the higher levbels can find ways around that, but if all income is included and the taxes on income that is NO direct labor by the individual should be higher cause they are getting a free ride.
I prefer a slightly lower progressive rate with very few deductions and NO “freetax havens” for the rich like no tax investments, and offshore investments SHOULD be taxed at a higher rate then investing inside the united states of America, which would help our economy and government revenues at the same time. That would be a fair tax, cause if your gonna go looking for sweat shop workers to put american workers out of business you should PAY the total costs of that off shore investment to the entire country.
“No direct labor” means what, higher taxes on capital gains, interest etc? We will disagree on a lot of things but a much higher tax on off shore jobs, overseas investments is not one of them. A US based business with US based employees is at a great disadvantage over someone who ships the job to a third world country and pays to get the product back to this country. They should pay a very hefty tax on goods coming into the country.
The thing a fair/consumption tax does is capture the underground economy which nothing else will. I doubt drug dealers, prostitutes, under the table wages file a tax return but they do spend the money they make and a consumption tax would capture that, not all but nothing will.
Where is our current tax equitable when if you pay interest and taxes on a home you own, you can deduct it but if you pay rent to a landlord, he can deduct the interest and taxes that you paid. If you have the means you can set up a trust and receive non-taxable income from that, again not equitable.
I agree that lower income individuals spend everything they make to survive but there are ways around it to benefit everyone. Set up a tax exemption below a certain income level, you can rebate back to taxes paid. Something could and should be done and a consumption by any name is a better system than what we have.
higher taxes on capital gains, interest etc?
Yes because most capital gains are really making money from somebody else’s labor while sitting on your own FAT ASS.
If you recieve free money from others labor ie capital gains or other investment schemes which cheat the labor poor but reward the people who live off them you pay HIGHER taxes for living off others labor.
Also any bonuses or special compensation over $50,000 is taxed at 60%, then let Wall street et al hand it away that way if they want. That would force then to put the corporate officers pay back in line or everyone benefits.
They should pay a very hefty tax on goods coming into the country. .
NO Tax the corporate profits themselves, and NO off shore post office box companies like the cayman islands have.
If you do business in the US YOU must have a registered location in the US and NO allowanced for off shoring profits made here.
he can deduct the interest and taxes that you paid.
Make any home or residence deduction available for ONLY your primary residence, and make that residence YOUR residence you claim on your 1040. NO rental property allowance EVER, much simpler that way.
Tax the companies who off shore or outsource production at a 75% level for ten years after off shoring, with NO deductions allowed for off shored factories.
consumption by any name is a better system than what we have..
NO it isn’t because the rich could just “consume” off shore.
They would find ways of using the business exemption like they do right now.
It is much simpler to cut most deductions and then set progressive rates to pay the revenue needs of the government instead of playing the insane games of lobbyist deductions and running deficits like the republicans have done since Reagan began that insane fiscal course.
Sorry but I agree with Adam Smith on this one, the wealth from YOUR OWN labor should be the lowest level taxed with in a progressive system, but wealth from others labor OR inheritance should be taxed at higher levels. But then again Adam Smith was totally against the idea of corporations in any form.
Once again Clif hits it out of the ballpark with his comment at 9:09 pm!
Wasn’t it Adam Smith who said something like “When the money handlers of a country start making more money then the laborer who works hard for his wages said country is in trouble”?
Fester, Adam Smith also said;
“When the profits of trade happen to be greater than ordinary,” Smith said, “over trading becomes a general error.”
The housing bubble and Wall Street exuberance which created it anyone?
After all they created the CDO’s to package the sub-prime debt they told the mortgage industry to create so they could sell it as Triple A investments based in historically unsustainable housing prices, and didn’t care how it ended cause they were making money in the immediate quarter.
And rate of profit, Smith claimed, “is always highest in the countries that are going fastest to ruin”.
It about perfectly describes the insane policies of the right wing economics which were maximize short term profits no matter how much long term damage you do.
If you really want a concise program that explains how wall Street started and fed the housing and credit bubbles for their own greedy watch House of Cards. with David Faber, on CNBC, he explains it quite well even though he lets Alan Greenspan weasel a hell of a lot.
greenspan tried to claim he copuldn’t understand that housing prices rising three times the rate of middle class incomes wasn’t something he could forsee as ending bad,
RIGHT
and Alan probably has some left over COD investments he wants to sell to somebody.
He understood which is why he cut and run right when the whole house of cards had just begun to show cracks.
You mention nothing about tying management bonus to company performance. With a real unemployment rate of 4% (3 1/2% is considered full employment) companies, and their ceo’s, have to have an incentive to make sure the company is profitable and they should share in their success.
Although taxing companies a higher rate sounds good, it will force or allow companies to work around the system, which is what they do now. Make it based on internal investment as a percentage of profit. Off shore is nothing new, every try to but a made in America TV, can’t be done because long before Regan, Carter or any recent hack, companies figured it out that they can outsource and import cheaper than they could make it here.
Although Greenspan was appointed by Regan he served eight years under BC so he went with the wind to keep his job. He said he is blameless for the recent problems but that is a crock of s— and he bailed. He knew what was going on just chose to look the other way. You are correct that bush should have stepped in and exposed the hazards of the housing market but that was against his nature of look the other way and maybe it will turn out OK. At the fannie/freddie hearings in 2004 the esteemed Maxine Waters, poor women, stood up for the way they were run and said the zero down home buying was going well and the 1992 housing bill was a success, we now see her wisdom and she is still there.
Interest deduction for a second home, large boat, do away with it because that is a luxury not a home but require home buyers to prove they can actually pay the mortgage.
Why not tie politicians pay to performance, make them have their own insurance and rely on SS and their investments for their retirement in stead of 100% of their salary for life.
You seem to make the assumption that all conservatives are rich and could care less about the poor. This has proven to be an untrue assumption because the majority, the 99% who are not rich, want less government interference in our lives, accept personal responsibility for what we do and enjoy the freedom this country allows, which I believe Cliffee fought for. We are tired of working and paying for people who can work but choose not to, who have 14 kids with no way of supporting them but to assist those who cannot support themselves. I am just as pissed off at the housing mess, financial market swindle and a lot of people should go to jail, including some politicians. Yes I supported bush for two years but he lost his way early on and lost my support. Should he have invaded iraq, absolutely not but public sentiment at the time favored it and I took a verbal beating every time I said it was a stupid and irresponsible thing to do, no one says that now.
You mention nothing about tying management bonus to company performance..
That used to be a no-brainer before the lassie faire greed uber alles Reagan style of economics became the mantra of the reich-wing skudmarks.
With a real unemployment rate of 4% (3 1/2% is considered full employment).
Would that be the U-3 unemployment number or the more real U-6 number?
There is a rather large difference in the numbers which underlie those stats the labor department reports each month.
Cause the U-3 number is what most people quote and it actually only reflects the people receiving unemployment payments which is massaged by the labor department with some statical formulas for time of year and other guesses they always make,
The U-6 number is always higher, and reflects everyone who is NOT gainfully employed and of working age, which is the equivalent number of 25% for 1932-33 always quoted from the Great Depression because the government didn’t massage the statistics so much back then,
Right now the 7.2-6% U-3 unemployment number is much closer to 13.5-15.7% under the U-6 method of reporting all who aren’t working and need a job.
The diversion into “fannie and freddie” is NOT relevant since the present housing and credit crisis was started on Wall Street with the creation of “collateralized debt obligations”, which were sold as the CDO investments. Wall Street kept calling for more and more loans to package then chop into tranches, then sell pieces of those tranches as triple A investments no matter how shaky the mortgages that were underwritten as the debt obligation, which had NOTHING to do with fannie or freddie.
Keep up with the reich wing spin that has NO connection to reality and prove again ypur spinning talking points instead of talking about historical fact about the economic meltdown that Greenspan and Wall Street created.
Wall Street couldn’t have pushed the loans they wanted if interest rates hadn’t been kept artificially low by Greenspan in direct contradiction to his supposed keep the government out of the market. Greenspan was keeping rates low trying to revive the economy for Bush’s re-election and then to help keep the american people happier while Bush and the republican’t poll numbers tanked.
Should he have invaded Iraq, absolutely not but public sentiment at the time favored it .
Only after Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith, Powell, et all used distorted and fabricated intell, and even out right LIES to sell it based on fear. Having been in the gulf I knew Saddam and Osama were enemies cause Osama wanted to go after saddam but the Saudis accepted GHWB’s offer instead, and Osama too a slight from that.
Of course the corporate owned MSM whether by GE (a defense contractor), Viacom, Newscorp, or Disney, they never did any real due diligence to check out the facts of the stories they were reporting. they mostly just regurgitated the reich-wing neo-con spin from the Pentagon Brass and white house, and any dissent for the real truth in 2002-03 was ruthlessly attacked. Ask Gen Shinseki, Gen Newbold, Gen Eaton, how free they were to tell the truth.
I also know from first hand experience Afghan rebels which the US had supplied during the rebels war with the Soviet Union, were allowed to pick over the ordnance Saddam’s Army abandoned in Kuwait in 1991, before we were allowed to destroy it. This included elements which ended up either supporting or even becoming the Taliban.
Sorry, but Scott Ritter was right about attacking Iraq, and the entire reich-wingnut establishment was wrong as usual, just as they are on economics.
We are tired of working and paying for people who can work but choose not to, who have 14 kids with no way of supporting them but to assist those who cannot support themselves.
You have to be PRO-FORCED BIRTH CONTROL and FORCED abortion cause that is about the only way to stop them.
But then again that was Nazi Germany’s and still is Communist China’s way of getting rid of some undesirables.
What a crock. U-3 numbers have been used for a long while and I bet you believed them in the Clinton years. U-6 takes into account those looking for work and those who have no intentions of working but “need a job” which is a very large percentage of the people reported under U-6, You would be reported as unemployed under U-6 even though you have no intentions of working.
You seem to forget it was the 1992 bill that forced banks to accept sub-prime loans not something they came up although they didn’t fight because the government would guarantee the bad debt. Now with PORK 1 we have just escalated the debt until we have PORK 2 than PORK 3. I feel much better now that we have spent 30 million to save a rat in San Francisco.
Republicans have no problems with Bush’s tax cuts for the RICH which will cost us over a TRILLION in uncollected taxes and another TRILLION (and counting for care of vets for decades to come) for a war an attack on Iraq. However, to spend less ON AMERICANS who are hurting is somehow careless and SOCIALISM!
What a crock. U-3 numbers have been used for a long while
Typical trying to understate the facts, the U-6 is the only unemployment stat to compare to the Great Depression, since it is the one that most closely mirrors the way they counted unemployed workers back then …..
I feel much better now that we have spent 30 million to save a rat in San Francisco.
Reich-wing disproved lie spread by stupid people who still thunk reich-wingnut radio and tthe GOPer central disinformation brigade tells them the truth, thanks skudmark, me boy, for showing how STUPID you really are.
Republicans Flop on Pelosi Mouse Lie, Haven’t Learned Environmental Lesson
Pelosi’s Office: Conservative Talking Point About $30 Million For Mice Is “Fabrication”
Fabrication by the reich-wing operatives you idiopathic trolls listen to, didn’t that get the US into an illegal war somewhere?
BTW stupid, it isn’t the sub-prime loans that created the actual problem, it is the fact that Wall Street kept taking low grade loans and repackaging them as triple A investments while NOT TELLING the whole truth about them.
The problem the banks have is the enormous amounts of totally unregulated Credit Default Swaps, that aren’t worth what they had claimed they were worth, including credit card debt repackages and mortgages of many types repackaged including sub-prime, and the hedging against losses by so many even if they actually didn’t own the actual security or debt instrument.
They are a $62 trillion market where nobody knows what they are actually worth.
Here is what Warren buffet said about the CDS;
“Unless derivatives contracts are collateralized or guaranteed, their ultimate value also depends on the creditworthiness of the counter parties to them. In the meantime, though, before a contract is settled, the counter parties record profits and losses—often huge in amount—in their current earnings statements without so much as a penny changing hands. The range of derivatives contracts is limited only by the imagination of man (or sometimes, so it seems, madmen).”
About $1.2 trillion of the $10 trillion of outstanding U.S. home loans are considered to be subprime, with losses around $500 billion, however the credit crunch caused by the CDO-SIV fiasco is a $62 trillion market where nobody knows what they are actually worth.
SO quit LYING claiming a $1.2 billion market caused the around $15-20 trillion dollar losses that the CDS market is facing and have everyone refusing to do any business with out LOTS of real collateral and security cause the banks investment houses and insurance industry do not truth each other public books.
Cause all the sub-prime and housing bubble did was point out what happens when a high level math based investment model goes outside the normal bounds the “genius” who created it said would never happen. Financial Armageddon, for those holding the economic weapon of mass destruction. Of course if a few too many of those economic weapons of mass destruction go off close together, the meltdown of the economies which they infected. Like has happened to us all.
Wow Cliff I am so impressed that you can link liberal blog articles.
I am grateful for the extra $13 per week from PORK 1 and feel really good about the additional welfare payments of $1,000 to you and Kay because I feel I am sharing the wealth.
Since you are tuned in to the higher being, what is in store for PORK 2.
That extra $13 will be paid in a lump sum won’t it? To the working poor, that will be a great help. Oh wait! Neocons don’t care about the working poor whether it’s one of their own or a liberal.
Keep concentrating on the 1% of the bill to make yourself feel better, Skudly. The rest of us will know that the whole bill is made up of 24% in spending, 38% in tax cuts, and 38% in aid (to the states, welfare, and those on unemployment or who need it)!
I won’t be getting any welfare payments, which is good, because someone who needs the help will get it instead. Makes me feel good.
There was some religious guy that said give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach him to fish and you feed him for life. Of course I know this guy was probably a conservative because he wanted someone to do something for their food and he must have hated the poor.
Helping indicates that the person being helped is actually going to do something. In this latest PORK 1 it is just another way to say welfare. Don’t require the person to do anything just give it to them and a month later they will ask for more.
I know this is way over your head because it deals with personal responsibility and doing the right thing.
Wow Cliff I am so impressed that you can link liberal blog articles.
… blah … blah … blah … lie … lie … lie …
Since you are tuned in to the higher being, what is in store for PORK 2.
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Typical answer from a reich-wing DUMB troll who can’t debate the FACTS
BTW son, USNews and World Report is a liberal blog?
The Washington Post is a liberal blog
Nice to know how shit eatingdumb you really are son.
There are no good paying jobs right now. Do you not understand that? And do you understand the notion that not every child born is going to grow up to be a highly educated millionaire? Jees.
I don’t know personal responsibility? Have you raised your child by yourself without help from anyone? Did you buy your home without a 2nd income in the family? Did you start a business from scratch and have maintained it throughout all the ups & downs? Huh? I know personal responsibility and now THAT I DON’T NEED WELFARE TO GET ME THROUGH. But I do know a few who have been on welfare and were thankful when they got it, because otherwise, they would have been on the street. Of course, you neocons are fine with mothers & children living in cars in the park in the dead of winter, now aren’t ya!
Stop being critical of the less fortunate. Oh wait. You belong to the American Taliban and that’s your job.
You’re shameful and pitiful.
In this latest PORK 1 it is just another way to say welfare. Don’t require the person to do anything just give it to them and a month later they will ask for more.
skudmarks can you give me the page number in the bill where this happens?
Quote the exact passage, of the soon to be law, where that is spelled out, so we all can read it.
Or are ya fabricating as fast as ya can, like the rest of the republican’t liars?
Skudly, the next time you’re in a Wal-Mart ask one of the employees at the cash register how much money they make in a year. I’m telling you….to you neocons the answer will make ya horny! You love it when people are poor and have to be on welfare.
By the way, a lot of our soldier’s in Iraq have families at home who are collecting welfare benefits so they can eat. Do you think it’s time we yank their welfare away?
You’re the type who would have laughed and thrown rotten food at the Americans in the bread lines during The Great Depression. Again, you’re shameful & pitiful.
LOL Clif. “Skudmarks”
Like on his underwear! All neocons are like that….they lay around scratching their asses!
There was some religious guy that said give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach him to fish and you feed him for life.
he also said;
“You lack one thing; go, sell what you own, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me.” ( Mark 10:21)
To the rich man who wanted to get into heaven,
Sorta throws YOU under the bus screeching against helping the poor doesn’t it skudmarks.
“Do not work for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures for eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you.” ( John 6:27)
“Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; for one’s life does not consist in the abundance of possessions.” ( Luke 12:15)
“The land of a rich man produced abundantly. And he thought to himself, ‘What should I do, for I have no place to store my crops?’ Then he said, ‘ I will do this: I will pull down my barns and build larger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods. And I will say to my soul, ‘Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many years; relax, eat, drink, be merry.’ But God said to him, ‘You fool! This very night your life is being demanded of you. And the things you have prepared, whose will they be?’ So it is with those who store up treasures for themselves but are not rich toward God.” ( Luke 12:16-21)
Wonderful Clif. Okay, Skidmarks, your answer now? *pointing microphone at your Pig lips*
Clif, here’s my favorite poem called, “Desiderata”:
Go placidly amid the noise and the haste,
and remember what peace there may be in silence.
As far as possible, without surrender,
be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly;
and listen to others,
even to the dull and the ignorant;
they too have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons;
they are vexatious to the spirit.
If you compare yourself with others,
you may become vain or bitter,
for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.
Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.
Keep interested in your own career, however humble;
it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs,
for the world is full of trickery.
But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;
many persons strive for high ideals,
and everywhere life is full of heroism.
Be yourself. Especially do not feign affection.
Neither be cynical about love,
for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment,
it is as perennial as the grass.
Take kindly the counsel of the years,
gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.
But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings.
Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.
Beyond a wholesome discipline,
be gentle with yourself.
You are a child of the universe
no less than the trees and the stars;
you have a right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you,
no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.
Therefore be at peace with God,
whatever you conceive Him to be.
And whatever your labors and aspirations,
in the noisy confusion of life,
keep peace in your soul.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams,
it is still a beautiful world.
Be cheerful. Strive to be happy.
I see widdle skud-boy suddenly has nothing to say ………..
what’s the matta son,
can’t deal with the fact your spinnin’ reich-wing sound bites that have already been proved incredibly stupid?
Or are ya shoving your head as far up your rectum so ya can thunk for somethin’ stupid to reply with?
Funny how the trolls run for the hills when someone throws parts of the bible at them, Clif!
Keep hurling them Clif! LOL
Hey Hero Clif
Many low-income Americans also are likely to benefit from a trifecta of tax credits: expansions to the existing Child Tax Credit and Earned Income Tax Credit, and a new refundable tax credit for workers.
Call it what you want but that is welfare. Why don’t politicians call this bill what it is PORK 1. Can’t wait to see the millions of unemployed bankers out building roads.
I just can’t wait to see PORK2
I see widdle skud-boy suddenly has nothing to say ……….
Some of have other things to do than sit here. Something about a job to support my family but I will be around, after all you need someone to hate so you can feel better about yourself.
Welfare is needed right now for many Americans who lost their good paying jobs because of George Bush and his Neocons financial practices (Shadow Economy). Everytime we have a republican president our nation goes into debt and a recession. It’s predictable. And it’s even more predictable that the neocons are online going to the liberal blogs to spread their hate for Americans and kicking them when they’re down and out.
This is why Democrats are the ones who are capable of fixing our nation. They always have been the ones. What will most likely happen is President Obama will fix the nation, will have a surplus, and at some point in the far future a republican president will be elected only for that republican president TO STEAL AMERICA’S MONEY ONCE AGAIN!
It’s reverse welfare. Welfare for the poor is bad….stealing billions & trillions from Americans by funneling it to the wealthy is FINE.
a new refundable tax credit for workers.
Call it what you want but that is welfare
So according to the blog idiot;
workers get welfare for working.
Why don’t politicians call this bill what it is PORK 1.
Cause at least for now they have STOPPED listening to fooles like YOU.
after all you need someone to hate so you can feel better about yourself.
Sorry son, but that is the reich wing schitck. which the “palinistias” revel in …. you know the Non-real based delusional factually challenged crowd which you seem to fit right in.
Clif, the point was made today that this current economic stimulus bill is made up of 38% tax cuts, and guess what the “We Love Tax Cuts No Party” did? They said no to tax cuts!
I guess we have our mantra during the 2010 mid-term election. Bwa hahahahahaha! *wringing hands in excitement*
Kay,
That means 62% non tax cuts so your point. Emperor obamba said this bill contains no PORK which is all over it.
This was suppose to be a job creating bill and a stimulus bill. How is increased welfare, food stamps and a whopping $13.00 per week in tax reduction going to create jobs. Call it what you will but it is PORK 1.
There is no pork in this bill. You neocons are labeling it that because you refuse to admit that even those projects you talk about will create jobs!
Name all the jobs George Bush created over his 8 years. Oh that’s right he created none and lost 3 million.
When you give a poor person $100 in foodstamps they SPEND THE WHOLE AMOUNT. That stimulates the local economies believe it or not. Thanks to the jobs lost under George Bush this extra money is needed and will be spent! Spending money is what President Obama is trying to start in George Bush’s failed economy.
AID (to the states, for welfare) is not pork. Nice try though! You’re reaching, but then again, when you’re on the losing side you have to make shit up to make yourself feel better!
Lots of new posts above, Skudmarks. How come you’re hiding down here? Scared of the truth above? Wouldn’t surprise me.
That means 62% non tax cuts so your point.
Let’s see shit fur brains TAX CUTS do not stimulate the economy like government spending in severe recessions do, remember it took the unreal spending at World War Two levels to finnally kill off the great depression.
Emperor obamba
I know you reich wing assholes HATE the democracy we have in this great country but you do such a dis-service to every veterans who gave their lives and limbs defending the constitution and the offices that document proscribes for the government, like President,
there is NO office of emperor, asswipe, but keep pissing on the graves of those who sacrificed so you could LIE at will son.
said this bill contains no PORK which is all over it.
Line and page number of the pork numbnuts, show me the earmarks and pork stuffed into the bill or admit you’re fabricating as usual
This was suppose to be a job creating bill and a stimulus bill.
Well given the amount of construction money set in the bill for the federal agencies, the number of construction jobs and the number of jobs needed to produce the materials and equipment for that construction is quite large even by reich wing standards son.
How is increased welfare, food stamps and a whopping $13.00 per week in tax reduction going to create jobs. Call it what you will but it is PORK 1.
sorry son but if you give the poorest among us a little more money THEY WILL SPEND it which will have a small BUT discernible amount of stimulus in the economy.
I know why you are screeching pork asswipe cause reich wing pigs weren’t first and foremost in getting the pork LIKE the republican’ts USED to give them when the republican’ts ran congress and Bush NEVER vetoed their PORK laden corporate welfare bills.
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Clif,
Drop the son bit because any inference that we are related is the biggest insult you can throw. Plus if you are my father you have to be in your eighties and that would mean you have misepresented several other things.
This was tagged as a job stimulus package and there is very little job stimulus in it. There are a lot of give a ways and but little in the way of job creation. Now they want PORK ll to reward the irresponsible home owner, than they are talking about PORK lll as another stimulus package.
You are in favor of giving 3 trillion dollars to the same people who got us into this mess. You say it was only the Republicans, I say it was both.
Where is the reward for those people who pay their bills on time, pay their mortgage, pay their taxes, put their kids through college and are Responsible citizens.
In your world we should just give everything we have worked for to those who make wrong decisions, are to lazy to provide for themselves and see the government as the way out.
If you had any education, other than looking things up on the internet, you would know this economy is fueled by the private sector. We have job loses because of government intervention and lack of confidence in the government process. Some day, I hope soon, EBO will realize this but I doubt it.
You are correct that bush never vetoed a bill that was pork laden.
As far as a, dis-service to every veteran, I don’t remember seeing you in Vietnam.
Clif was in the military. It’s how he talks, Dumbass.
The private companies are to blame and not the public ones on Wall Street who have stolen billions from the American people and who have used a Shadow Economy to hide assets from us and profit off those toxic assets?
Oh please.
Mom & Dad’s bakery up the street is not to blame. In fact, I bet if you asked them why their business went under they’ll say, “Well, we were holding on until the price of fuel got over $4/gallon. We folded pretty quickly after that, because we had to choose between heating our home or heating our business”.
Who said anything about about “The private companies are to blame and not the public ones on Wall Street”
Private held companies are the ones being hurt the most my this mess. Speculators caused the housing crash, the market crash and the banking crash.
Blame it on wall street and fannie/freddie and everyone should own a house mentality. Some people should rent because that is all they are capable of doing.
Uh no, the Shadow Economy was set up under George Bush as a way for investors to profit from people NOT PAYING THEIR MORTGAGES. This is why George Bush told Americans that we are an ownership society and to get that house any way you can! The banks took notice and decided everyone who walked through the door could get a loan and when they couldn’t afford it 3 months later….no problem! The Shadow Economy came to the rescue! Credit default swaps….
http://www.nowandfutures.com/d2/what_is_a_credit_default_swap_cdfs.gif