There is much talk online about who George Bush is going to pardon before he leaves office. I will be pissed if he pardons those in his Regime who have not been charged with a crime today but once they’re out of office, his pardon will guarantee they can’t be charged with the crime they’ve committed at the direction of the president! So frustrating, but luckily, Rep. Jerry Nadler is on this.
Via my email box from Democrats.com:
Dear Activist,
Congratulations! Just one week ago we asked you to launch a massive movement against pardons by signing a petition to your Representatives. Over 46,000 of you took action and Congress took notice.
On Friday, Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-NY) introduced H.Res. 1531 urging President Bush not to pardon senior administration officials for crimes the President authorized. It notes:
President George W. Bush may have committed crimes involving the mistreatment of detainees, the extraordinary rendition of individuals to countries known to engage in torture, illegal surveillance of United States citizens, unlawful leaks of classified information, obstruction of justice, political interference with the conduct of the Justice Department, and other illegal acts
and that
Bush has been urged to grant preemptive pardons to senior administration officials who might face criminal prosecution for actions taken in the course of their official duties
Nadler’s resolution urges Congress to investigate those crimes and any pardons relating to them, and urges the Attorney General (current or future) to appoint an Independent Counsel to prosecute those crimes.
These are major steps towards holding George Bush, Dick Cheney, and other senior officials accountable for their crimes and thereby upholding the rule of law, rather than allowing Presidents to become dictators.
Rep. Nadler’s leadership is crucial because he chairs the House Judiciary Committee’s Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights, and Civil Liberties and can use his credibility and clout to move the resolution forward either during the lame duck session in December or when the next Congress convenes on January 6.
So our next step is to persuade as many Representatives as possible to co-sponsor H.Res. 1531. Please sign our new petition:
http://www.democrats.com/nadler-pardons
We also encourage you to call your Representative at 202-224-3121 and speak with the Legislative Assistant who handles Judiciary matters.
If your Representative says (s)he will co-sponsor, please let us know by commenting on our resolution “whipping” page:
http://www.democrats.com/nadler-pardon-resolution
Thanks for all you do!
Bob Fertik
(click here to sign the petition)
Also per Bob Fertik of Democrats.com, Jonathan Turley is saying blanket pardons are very possible by George Bush.
So, what do you think? Think George Bush will once again give the finger to the American people by saying breaking the law is fine when you’re a republican? Spit.
Did it. Thanks for posting the website.
I think Bush will round up all the crooks he has dealt with and pardon the lot of them….let’s face it they would have to build more jails to put them all in!!!
It’s so unfair that these folks can’t be held accountable with a new President, so they have had 8 long years to do as they please and will end up getting away scott free.
There has to be something wrong with that system though doesn’t there….ordinary folks on the street would be put in prison with the blink of an eye.
Wouldn’t it be nice to think or dream in our case, that all those crooks would be held accountable and put in jail…..there is no justice is there???
Maybe Jack Abramoff and pardon any crimes Tom DeLay may be convicted for. Sen. Ted Stevens. Sen. Larry Craig (of his misdemeanor). Scooter Libby is already pardoned. I bet it will be a long list of neocon cronies.
Bushco will have a large Pardoning Barbeque in Crawford that week. With all the crooks he has to pardon, including himself, it’ll be the biggest barbecue Crawford has ever seen, and I damn sure would not like to be a steer in Texas these days.
But let us not forget, we can always hope for this:
http://www.prosecutionofbush.com/
If the past eight years have taught us nothing else, at least we know all things are possible. Here’s raising my glass to the bright young prosecutor somewhere in America who will take this on! Salute!!
Up the Revolution!
Gage:
What a great video, everyone should listen to it….there is so much evidence out there against Bush and this "trumped up" war…I hope somebody will take stock of that book and really consider prosecuting him.
Bush has such a lot to answer for and it’s sad that so many people still think he is a great President!!!!!
I don’t think the Crawford "ranch" has any steers nor horses on it. It was a pig FARM when he bought it in 1999. 1600 acres is too small in Texas to be called a ranch, plus he would need cattle, sheep, or goats on it to qualify.
He and Laura are planning to maybe "tear down" a mansion in Highland Park (few if any vacant lots left there), where the Dallas gazillionaires live. They can’t find a house already built that satisfies them. Scuttlebutt is that they want to build a "green" house (as was the house they built at the "ranch") with plenty of security features wired into it and a place for the Secret Service to have an office facility. They may keep the ranch for a second home as it has bicycle trails and a fishing pond.
Bush, always a city kid, only bought the ranch in 1999 as Karl Rove was giving him a "cowboy" common-man MAKEOVER so folks would want to have a beer with him. His twins at the time were attending the expensive St. Andrews Episcopal High School in Austin and when he started running for president, they transferred to the PUBLIC Austin High School for their last two years. I have a nephew who graduated from St. Andrews.
The Dallas suburb of Highland Park (where a cheap "starter" home is $2 MILLION) is also the home of SMU and where the presidential "library" will be built to store those papers not already shredded. The tony suburb was where Cheney had his LEGAL address before he quickly changed it to Jackson Hole, Wyoming, in order not to be unConstitutional! Troy Aikman lives there so George can have some jocks to "pal" around with.
I’m sure a few rich guys will get pardons (as usual), probably a couple repub guys (Maybe Stevens) and a bunch we have never heard of..
I doubt Bush will pull the blanket pardon.. that pardon (if it includes anyone involved in torture) would cover almost everyone in his administration.
Ummm, the issue of pardons is NOT something Dems should want to bring up, especially when Eric Holder is being put up as the nominee to Attorney General…
….Besides, the Dems have had Congress for the last two years; they’ve got nothing, else they would have already used it. Politically, the last thing the American people would want to see (with the exception of that small minority of Kos kids and y’all) is for Congress to be going off on fruitless investigations of out-of-office politicians when so many other serious issues, like the economy, need attention.
I only hope that liberals in Congress are that stupid…
Rep. Duke "Top Gun" Cunningham’s name is out there as a possible pardon as well as former Louisiana Gov. Edwin Edwards.
Since Obama’s anounced choices for his economic team, the DOW has spiked over 1000 points. Shows the difference between Obama’s HOPE versus Bush’s FEAR.
Fruitless investigations? Spying on Americans illegally, lying our nation into a costly illegal occupation of a sovereign nation, the raping of Halliburton/KBR women by Halliburton/KBR employees, $2 TRILLION missing from the Pentagon & the Federal Reserve, $9 BILLION missing in Iraq, 900 signing statements by Bush to ignore the laws of our country, the firing of US Attorneys for political reasons, and countless other crimes, but to the troll…..REAL Americans see this as fruitless? Bah hahahahahahaha! A FUCKING BLOW JOB BY AN INTERN WAS A FRUITLESS INVESTIGATION & PROSECUTION, MORON!
Grant, I’d be VERY DISAPPOINTED if Duke Cunningham gets a pardon. Pretty fair economic team picks by Obama, but the DOW STILL is 1000 points below what it was the day of the election (i.e. before we knew who the President would be), so you shouldn’t be overjoyed by this dead cat bounce.
Kay,
All this stuff you list SUPPOSEDLY happened before the Dems took over Congress. Again, if they REALLY had any info, they would have launched investigations much like the Repubs did with Clinton (which was not about a blow job, but about perjury for which Clinton was disbarred, though not impeached.
I SAY AGAIN: NOTHING. IS. GOING. TO HAPPEN!! Oh, and for Clif, that means there may be the one or two show trials, a "scathing letter" about abuse of power (much like the trooper-gate investigation of Palin), but there will be no outcome that’s going to result in any conviction, any punishment, any pound of flesh you ultra left wingers are hoping for.
If it makes you feel, better, you should assume a conspiracy to cover up these actions by evil Republicans still in the Washington establishment.
Ummm, the issue of pardons is NOT something Dems should want to bring up,
Why not, Clinton didn’t pardon a known TRAITORS who sold weapons to a sworn enemy?
Caspar W. Weinberger … 1988 Several counts of perjury,
Elliott Abrams ….1988 Two counts of unlawfully withholding information. (whom Bush Jr the idiot hired)
Clair George
1. 1991 Ten counts of perjury, false statements and obstruction
2. 1992 two felony charges of false statements and perjury before Congress
Robert C. McFarlane 1988
Buts since he was an asshat reichwinger that is OK right JFH?
You think the repubs were eager to investigate and prosecute George Bush when they had control of the US House & Senate? Are you kidding me? And since the Dems have control of both Houses, guess what? Investigations have gone on BUT THE BUSH REGIME REFUSES TO SHOW UP WHEN SUBPOENAED! See? And let’s say the Dems were successful in getting the criminals to show up to testify, guess what happens if they got the evidence they needed? Oh that’s right! The trial for impeachment happens in the Senate and as we all know, the Dems have had basically a tie with the repubs in the Senate with Joe LIEberman as the guy who could break it (or Dick Cheney), so do you think this would happen? Bah hahahahahaha! Are you kidding me again? No way! The repubs know that George Bush, Dick Cheney, and their underlings are guilty of lots of stuff, but they don’t want an impeachment or any kind of embarrassment for the Regime ON THE RECORD. Yep, they want history to show that they were ‘innocent’.
Dennis Kucinich read for 5 hours the impeachment charges against George Bush. He then forced the House Clerk to read it again the next day for 5 hours. But! The Dems have a good lead in the Senate once January 2009 rolls around and I hope all of them are relentless in bringing some of the Regime to trial for some justice. It’s gonna be just like the Iran/Contra scandal! Can’t wait!
Americans will not think it’s a waste of time, because those who voted for Barack Obama (almost 70%) WANT THIS KIND OF JUSTICE. Trust me…THE NATION AND THE WORLD WILL APPLAUD!
BTW stoopid Lewis Libby was the person who asked Eric Holder to consider the marc Rich pardon numbnuts.
Lewis “Scooter” Libby, who had represented Rich from 1985 until the spring of 2000
Marc Rich had clemency pleas from Israeli government officials, including Prime Minister Ehud Barak.
And we all know bush the idiot gave scooter a get out of jail free card.
Yes Clif. The asshats are fine with pardons as long as they’re for neocons. Assholes.
From 2002-2006, the repubs were in control of the White House, the US Senate, and the US House. What did they do during that time, you ask?
BTW numbnuts, as for the stock market, the lying deceitful reich-wingers are still legally in power so the Wall Street pigs aren’t so sure the greedy bastards who populate the reich-wing won’t get even more greedy then they already have.
After all they lied and stole billions so far ….. and refuse to show up for congressional subpoenas to answer for it.
You’d a thunk a stupid asshat like you would realize that.
Who wants to bet Georgie pardons his father who has been doing business with the bin Ladens and the Saudi Royals all these years? Yep! You betcha!
I just saw this on MSNBC:
“Bush pardons 14, commutes two sentences”
War crime trials don’t happen much except when a nation loses a war. Prescott Bush made deals with Hitler up through 1942 and other than a slap on the wrist for violating the "Trading with the Enemy Act" his "punishment" was to become a U.S. Senator!
We held such show trials for the Nazis and Japanese because they LOST the wars and we had power over them. But like many of the Nazis high-tailed it for Paraguay you can be sure these neocon cowards from the Bush administration will do the same.
Holy crap, Grant, y’all are STILL pushing the debunked Prescott Bush deals with Hitler??
And Hitler opted for suicide when the ‘world’ was closing in, Grant.
We’ll have to wait and see what the Democrats do. If they (repubs included) do nothing, then they are traitors to the US Constitution and our Forefathers.
Debunked? Bah hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa! You mean Little Green Nutballs debunked the Prescott/Nazi ties?
Edward "Ted" Kaufman, a former aide to Sen. Joe Biden, was named Monday by Delaware Gov. Ruth Ann Minner to fill the Senate seat Biden is leaving for the vice presidency. Kaufman is president of a political and management consulting firm based in Wilmington. Kaufman served on Biden’s Senate staff from 1973 to 1994, including 19 years as chief of staff. He is an advisory board member to President-elect Barack Obama’s transition team.
Speculation on Biden’s successor had centered in recent weeks on his son, Attorney General Beau Biden. Last week, however, the younger Biden announced that he planned to fulfill his National Guard duties and wouldn’t accept an appointment to his father’s U.S. Senate seat.
New post up.
Holy crap, Grant, y’all are STILL pushing the debunked Prescott Bush deals with Hitler??.
They’re not debunked asswipe, …. stop swillin’ the left over kool-aid.
I guess our TROLL here doesn’t believe anything that sheds a negative light on any of his favorite reich-wingers. I guess he needs to write the Guardian newspaper in the UK and tell them they are publishing a LIE:
"……new documents, many of which were only declassified last year, show that even after America had entered the war and when there was already significant information about the Nazis’ plans and policies, he worked for and profited from companies closely involved with the very German businesses that financed Hitler’s rise to power. It has also been suggested that the money he made from these dealings helped to establish the Bush family fortune and set up its political dynasty."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
Who wants to make a bet: I say Bush doesn’t do a blanket pardon on his staff… AND that the new Congress doesn’t do anything, but MAYBE a show trial or two in lower subcommittees. No one gets any punishment.
Let’s face it, you "useful idiots" have done your part in spreading weak or falsified propaganda, and now you can be discarded by the new ruling party.
Well, I just read this in the AP article I posted in the new post:
“At the same time, Obama advisers say there is little — if any — chance that his administration would bring criminal charges. ”
If this is true, then I am more than pleased to remind myself I was for Dennis Kucinich waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before I was for Barack Obama. And now I know why. Kucinich = INTEGRITY, LAWFULNESS, AND RESPECT.
Everyone else is a traitor who does not bring the Bush criminals to their knees! And yes, that goes for the Obama Administration too!
You obviously didn’t read the entire article, Grant, as once you get into the meat of the article the evidence is weak that Bush had any active involvement of the corp he has a board member of and whether the company even had any control of its Germany assets.
And now I know why. Kucinich = INTEGRITY, LAWFULNESS, AND RESPECT
…And add psycho moonbat to that list and it would be at least close to being right.
Yo dipshit all four companies Prescott bush was a director of were seized in 1942 by Washington, try peddling your bullshit elsewhere son.
On October 20, 1942, under authority of the Trading with the
Enemy Act, the U.S. Congress seized Union Banking Corporation (UBC) of New York City and liquidated its
assets after the war. The seizure is confirmed by Vesting
Order No. 248 in the U.S. Office of the Alien Property Custodian
and signed by U.S. Alien Property Custodian Leo T. Crowley.
In August, under the same authority, Congress had seized the
first of the Bush-Harriman-managed Thyssen entities,
Hamburg-American Line, under Vesting Order No. 126, also
signed by Crowley. Eight days after the seizure of UBC,
Congress invoked the Trading with the Enemy Act again to
take control of two more Bush-Harriman-Thyssen businesses
- Holland-American Trading Corp. (Vesting Order No. 261)
and Seamless Steel Equipment Corp. (Vesting Order No. 259).
In case ya can’t count shit fur brains, that is FOUR businesses that both Prescott Bush and his father in law, George Herbert Walker, were directors of or working for seized by the US government for trading with NAZI Germany, asswipe.
Go play with yourself elsewhere son.
…..involvement of the corp he has a board member of and whether the company even had any control of its Germany assets.
Um dipshit, it was a subsidiary of a company incorporated in Nazi Germany, Allen Dulles, before he and his ignorant brother fucked up US foreign policy for decades, spent the post war years running around Europe defending it’s owner, Fritz Thyssen
The same Fritz Thyssen who funded Adolph Hitlers rise to power in Germany in the late 20’s and early 30’s.
Nice to see that JFH when faced with the FACTS;
runs away again.
Such a cut and runner that JFH
The nut Dennis Kucinich HAS THE BIGGEST BALLS IN DC. Poor neocons. Their balls are the size of a dried up raisin.
Clif, has JFH linked to an article yet by an esteem historian who disputes Preston Bush helped finance the Nazis? *scanning the comments* Nope. As expected.
I’m not silent, I’m just shaking my head in disbelief of how y’all put together disparate facts to support your premise…
You even admit that the US Government seized assets of these corporations that Bush was involved in… HOW does someone make a profit if the government seizes all the assets of said company??
Hi Kay,
Off topic, I know. But if you really are in Maine I figured you might know something about this:
http://girldujour.wordpress.com/2008/11/25/boycott-the-oak-hill-general-store-in-standish-maine-owner-steve-collins-should-be-considered-dangerous/
HOW does someone make a profit if the government seizes all the assets of said company??
Because shit for brains with the republicans in control of the government in the mid 1950’s including the Dulles brothers(one of the co-conspitators in hiding the Thyssen-Bush Nazi connection) fucking up everything foreign policy wise, Prescott Bush got his money BACK from Washington DC quietly stoopid.
Damn no wonder the reich wing loses if they are all half as dumb as you are numbnuts.
Oh yes, I know all about it, Girl du Jour! I did a post this past Saturday:
http://whitenoiseinsanity.com/2008/11/22/mike-violette-of-wgans-morning-show-needs-to-smarten-his-act-up/
It’s disgusting what this guy did. He’s apparently closed the store and has left the state. Good. I hope his life is ruined now. Steve Rowe, who is our state’s Attorney General, wants to bring civil charges against this guy and is asking anyone who actually saw the sign to come forward and get their evidence down on paper or what have you.
Thanks for posting about it! The more attention it gets….the better. Maine does not tolerate this kind of hate…or any hate for that matter. One thing about our nation electing Barack is it has exposed the racist bastards of our state! We’re gonna weed them out.
Okay, I’m going to bed. Nite all!
JFH, if you have any REAL evidence to the contrary, please post a link to it so we can laugh and point. Nite nite. (and yes I know ‘nite’ is not the right spelling! That’s how I spell it online. I just had to say this because I know how you neocons are! You’re pathetic)
Kay you know why reichwingers and dumb as dirt repubies like JFH refuse to admit Darwinism is true, cause it would means nature ain’t on their side, they would be the recessive genes nature wants to do away with.
They wanna believe in a big old guy in the sky who never really seems to listen to them let alone grant them any real answers.
Talk about wanting a super-nanny?
And they cry about the social safety net?
They want a mulligan from the big old guy in the sky after fuckin’ up their entire life.
Pathetic truly describes them to a Tee …………………………………………………
Yep, Clif, it’s always the "cover up" and "Washington insiders’ that seem to prove your points.
Kay, do you know how many US corporations had ties to "Nazi" Germany?? To disprove a negative, to y’all conspiracy theorists is an impossible task. My only goal in this continuing discourse is to gather information about the cognitive dissonance of the far left and to show how intractable your positions are.
BTW, Kay, I was trying to be helpful in correcting your previous post on an easy-to-make homophonic word choice….. Yet, you chose this opportunity to castigate me for being "pathetic". Once again, it takes a strong and intelligent person to own up to one’s mistakes, something you STILL have never shown in this blog.
I truly feel sorry for you.
Yep, Clif, it’s always the “cover up” and “Washington insiders’ that seem to prove your points.
Nice dodge that doesn’t deal with the Facts,
YOU KNOW WHAT FACTS ARE DON’TCHA STOOPID?
Things like Alan Dulles who worked for the same people who put Hitler in power in Germany in the 1930’s because Hitler was anti communist, the very same people who turned out to be very strong anti communists in the 1950’s ….
The very same Alan Dulles who post WW2 worked as a LAWYER for the Thyssen interests …..
The very same Thyssen who was the money behind Hitlers rise to power.
It seems YOU can not refute the facts so you try a well known dodge to dismiss the facts.
Well you failed.
The facts remain, and your reich wing attempt to change the discussion is not happening.
PRESCOTT BUSH WORKED FOR 4 COMPANIES SEIZED BY THE ROOSEVELT GOVERNMENT, ONLY TO HAVE POWERFUL INTERESTS IN THE EISENHOWER GOVERNMENT COVER FOR HIM AND RETURN THE FORTUNE HE MADE TRADING WITH NAZI GERMANY. THE SAME POWERFUL INTERESTS WHO HELPED THYSSEN TO COVER HIS CRIMES ALSO.
Those are the undisputed (except for dumb freepers and redstate crybabies) FACTS.
Once again, it takes a strong and intelligent person to own up to one’s mistakes, something you STILL have never shown in this blog.
Well son that is YOU asswipe to a Tee, and those you work for.
You feel sorry for me? I’ve not seen you refute Clif’s truths about Preston Bush. You said to Grant that this was just a made up story, so surely, there must be lots of well-known historians out there recording that, but since you haven’t posted anything and Clif keeps kicking your ass, well, you ARE looking kind of pathetic right now.
By the way, the Bush family dealing with the enemy didn’t stop with WWII. George H.W. Bush has been in business with the Saudi royals and the BIN Ladens for decades. Who was Bush Sr. meeting with the morning of 9/11? A bin Laden. Who removed himself from the Carlyle Group right after his son invaded Iraq because of the conflict of interest of it all? Bush Sr. Oooopsie.
Clif, the wingers can’t stand the fact that Barack Obama beat out their whole party.
Obviously, the concept of "proving a negative" is beyond your comprehension, Kay… typical of a conspiracy theorist.
YOU KNOW WHAT FACTS ARE DON’TCHA STOOPID? (Yes, yes, I do)
Things like Alan Dulles who worked for the same people who put Hitler in power in Germany in the 1930’s because Hitler was anti communist, the very same people who turned out to be very strong anti communists in the 1950’s ….
(This is a fact mixed with supposition and opinion… Remember that Hitler had a non-agression pact with Stalin)
The very same Alan Dulles who post WW2 worked as a LAWYER for the Thyssen interests …..
(and this means???)
The very same Thyssen who was the money behind Hitlers rise to power.
(And yet renounced the war and Hitler and fled to Switzerland, then France, before being caught and ending up in a concentration camp)
It seems YOU can not refute the facts so you try a well known dodge to dismiss the facts.
Well you failed.
The facts remain, and your reich wing attempt to change the discussion is not happening.
PRESCOTT BUSH WORKED FOR 4 COMPANIES SEIZED BY THE ROOSEVELT GOVERNMENT, ONLY TO HAVE POWERFUL INTERESTS IN THE EISENHOWER GOVERNMENT COVER FOR HIM AND RETURN THE FORTUNE HE MADE TRADING WITH NAZI GERMANY. THE SAME POWERFUL INTERESTS WHO HELPED THYSSEN TO COVER HIS CRIMES ALSO. (So were companies that GM and IBM owned… what’s your point?)
Proving a negative? How about providing us with what Preston Bush was doing back then? Huh? If he was an organic farmer who made his living selling turnips & potatoes, then post a link to it. Otherwise, you’ll have to believe the rest of us that Preston Bush loved the Nazis, loved financing them, and didn’t care that this kind of business dealing was criminal…at least on the surface.
Okay?
Let us know what Preston Bush was REALLY doing for employment back in WWII. Working for 4 companies seized by the Roosevelt government isn’t looking too innocent if you ask me. Preston had to be doing something lawful back then! Post the link JFH! Thanks pal.
Sorry widdle boy but you have FAILED again, you have yet to disprove any fact with PROOF it is wrong.
Looks like JFH is just a typical reich-winger that can’t do anything with out the RNC daily talking points.
You can’t say Prescott Bush was NOT working for FOUR companies that were seized by the US Government for trading with Nazi Germany because he was working for all four companies.
You can’t say Alan Dulles wasn’t Fritz Thyssen’s attorney running all over Europe trying to protect his client because he WAS.
The same Fritz Thyssen who along with his American compatriots helped finance Hitlers rise to power.
You can’t say that Alan Dulles and his brother, John Foster Dulles weren’t running US foreign policy when the US Government gave back Prescott bush’s ill gotten gains from trading with Nazi Germany, because they were, and the US government gave back bush’s ill gotten gains in the 1950’s …
Total fail by JFH as usual.
You seem as incompetent as the republican party is now a days,
Oh wait,
You’re a reich wing clown ain’t ya boy,
You’re one of the losers who still support that cabal of crack pots, criminals and faux family values frauds…………………………………………………
Clif, has there ever been an honest Bush family member? *checking my records* Nope! Can’t name one! And by the way, where were all the young Bush cousins over the past 8 years while their Uncle was orchestrating an illegal occupation of a sovereign nation? Oh that’s right! Hiding! Yep, the Bushies love war, but they don’t want to fight in any of them and will hide for years incognito just so they won’t be forced by the angry masses to do so!
Wow dalmationDummy, you’re kind of late getting to this post ain’t ya? I posted it back in November 2008, so how you didn’t come by then? Huh? 8 months late!