65 Responses to “The neocons of America want you to believe Barack Obama was born in Kenya & is not a U.S. citizen”

1. clif
   October 23rd, 2008 @ 6:28 pm

   Kay the wingnuts are wailin’ about and throwing what ever shit they got, cause even the corporate owned MSM can no longer hide the fact Obama is gonna win.

   Polls from today;

   • Gallup: Obama 51%, McCain 45%, with a ±2% margin of error, compared to a 52%-44% Obama lead yesterday.

   • Rasmussen: Obama 52%, McCain 45%, with a ±2% margin of error, compared to a 51%-45% Obama lead from yesterday.

   • ABC/Washington Post: Obama 54%, McCain 43%, with a ±3% margin of error, unchanged from yesterday.

   • Hotline/Diageo: Obama 48%, McCain 43%, with a ±3.4% margin of error, compared to a 47%-42% Obama lead from yesterday.

   • Research 2000: Obama 51%, McCain 41%, with a ±3% margin of error, unchanged from yesterday.

   • Zogby: Obama 52%, McCain 40%, with a ±2.9% margin of error, compared to a 52%-42% Obama lead yesterday.

   Adding these polls together and weighting them by the square roots of their sample sizes, Obama is ahead 51.5%-43.1%, a lead of 8.4 points, compared to the 51.3%-43.1% Obama lead from yesterday.

   They are losing their ever loony minds and are gonna get even slimier and sicker as the last days of this campaign roll by.

   By the morning of November 5th they will be certifiable or so depressed they will need coaching to come outa mommy’s basement.

   Hopefully their mommy’s leave them down there for a while so they can grow up.

2. Grant in Texas
   October 23rd, 2008 @ 6:38 pm

   The Annenberg Fact.Check.org has already proved that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. You know the Palm Springs Annenbergs, the billionaire Republican best friends of Ronald and Nancy Reagan….those Annenbergs. Also the same Annenbergs who invited BOTH Barack Obama and William Ayers to sit on their prestigious education board in Chicago.

   Besides a valid birth certificate, the FactCheck group also ran down an actual Honolulu newspaper from 1961 announcing his birth on August 4.

3. clif
   October 23rd, 2008 @ 6:41 pm

   Grant you’re throwing facts at people who thunk they could create their own reality.

4. kayinmaine
   October 23rd, 2008 @ 6:50 pm

   Is it me or is just laugh out loud funny how the neocons can’t use their brains to figure this out on their own? I’m sorry! I can’t help but laugh, drop, and roll for hours now!

   Thanks for the info Grant. Even without the proof, just the fact Barack’s mother is an American is enough to make Barack a U.S. citizen.

5. Grant in Texas
   October 23rd, 2008 @ 6:55 pm

   Barack also got his first PASSPORT when he was only six years old in order to move to Indonesia with his mother (Sarah “can see Russia from here” Palin got her first passport last year!). Probably Barack’s mother knew he was going to run for president someday so she forged his birth certificate. /snark

6. clif
   October 23rd, 2008 @ 7:05 pm

   Well he’s officially no longer a “real” American;

   Former Bush press secretary backs Obama

   Scott McClellan, President Bush’s former press secretary, says he is backing Barack Obama for president.

   His book probably didn’t earn him a full fledged traitor to the country badge, but this will.

7. Uncle Fester Lurks
   October 23rd, 2008 @ 7:06 pm

   Come November 5th, the day after Barack Obama wins the presidency in a LANDSLIDE victory the streets of America will be filled with sounds of racist republican heads exploding, wailing, weeping and gnashing of teeth.

8. Uncle Fester Lurks
   October 23rd, 2008 @ 7:08 pm

   Arne Carlson, former republican governor of Minnesota endorses Barack Obama!

9. clif
   October 23rd, 2008 @ 7:09 pm

   Damn fester, we never knew so many republicans weren’t “real” Americans did we?

10. Uncle Fester Lurks
    October 23rd, 2008 @ 7:10 pm

    Where da trolls at? Perhaps they are shopping for razor blades or looking for tall buildings to jump off of on November 5th.

11. Uncle Fester Lurks
    October 23rd, 2008 @ 7:12 pm

    Clif…well the ones who still support Bush and are voting for McCain are definitely not real Americans as they all support fascism, corporatism and the shredding of our constitution!

12. clif
    October 23rd, 2008 @ 7:16 pm

    Naw fester they are lookin’ to move to

    Canada,

    but Canada don’t want them,

    Paraguay,

    but the bush and Moonie criminal organizations have all the good property,

    Argentina like the germans did after WW2,

    but they can’t get visas, and English ain’t spoked there.

    Australia,

    well the Aussies definably don’t want them.

    They are lookin’ and lookin’

    but the rest of the planet don’t want their ignorant asses either.

    So we have to keep them and hope they can recover from their kool aid addiction. It will take time and they will fight like hell to keep suckin’ down the reich wing kool aid, but every junkie has to hit their own personal wall before they quit.

    Hopefully this election should be a big wall for some.

13. clif
    October 23rd, 2008 @ 7:22 pm

    KKKarl just got caught channeling …

    get this,

    Barack Obama;

    Damn if Obama can get the bush foreign policy establishment to follow his lead and even the turd blossum to quote him with out even realizing it, maybe the reich wing who claims to know a messiah when they see one might be on to somethin’ ….

    LOL

14. kayinmaine
    October 23rd, 2008 @ 7:37 pm

    LMAO at Grant’s comment at #5. Yep! Ole Sarah can see Russia…oh but Barack has actually been overseas!

    LMAO at Uncle’s comment at #10! Let’s hope so!

    LMAO at Clif’s #12! Where the hell will they go then, Clif? I’m thinking they’ll all slowly walk back to the RNC’s front porch, sit down, and pout for the next 4 years. Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, they’re gonna be their own racist selves for sure! Assholes. I am tired of the hatemongers.

15. clif
    October 23rd, 2008 @ 7:41 pm

    Kay where ever “they go”, the people who live there will just ship them back.

    They are our problem and we have to detox them and help them to recover so they can return to being productive members of our democracy.

16. kayinmaine
    October 23rd, 2008 @ 7:43 pm

    NEW POST UP BY THE WAY.

    Okay neocons, here’s another scenario for you to ponder:

    If Barack’s mother, who is a US citizen, decided to go to France for 2 weeks and ended up giving birth to Barack while over in France, would Barack be considered an American citizen born to an American overseas or would Barack be considered a full blow citizen of France? Ding, ding, ding! He would be an American citizen, but his mother would have to do this…

    http://travel.state.gov/law/info/overseas/overseas_705.html

    See?

    Children born to Americans are Americans! Bah hahahahahahahaha! Oh gawd. How funny. Let me guess the wingers will now try to disprove that Barack’s mother was a natural born citizen? LOL Oh probably. They’ll get to the bottom of it and have it solved sometime soon! They promise. *rolling eyes*

17. kayinmaine
    October 23rd, 2008 @ 7:44 pm

    *spraying my lawn with disinfectant*…just in case a neocon walks by my house, Clif.

18. steph
    October 23rd, 2008 @ 11:17 pm

    Kay, I’m fairly sure that when Obama was born, citizenship didn’t pass through the maternal line but it doesn’t make any difference because Obama is automatically a citizen under Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment – i.e. the principle of jus soil (right of the soil): America grants citizenship to anyone born on US soil, regardless of whether their parents are citizens. The only exception is children of foreign diplomats. In Europe, it’s the complete opposite, we use jus sanguinis (right of the blood) i.e. citizenship through parentage. So I suppose I could see why some people are confused but don’t they think that McCain or Hillary might have said something by now if Obama wasn’t a citizens and therefore not eligible to run for president? lol

19. steph
    October 23rd, 2008 @ 11:35 pm

    Clif, forget the polls, Paddy Power is already paying out on an Obama win!

20. clif
    October 24th, 2008 @ 12:15 am

    Steph, the kool-aid junkies are still tryin’ to figger how to steal this one.

    They don’t give up till there is NO way to steal it.

21. RP
    October 24th, 2008 @ 12:58 am

    Yeah I have been hearing this for a few weeks now and I think it is nothing more than another distraction tactic. Basically it is the old theory of throwing as much shit that you can at a wall and hoping that some sticks. I think that if any right-winger actually believed this were true that would have been all over this shit months ago.

22. kayinmaine
    October 24th, 2008 @ 7:39 am

    Steph, Barack gets his name from his father which was Barack Hussein Obama Sr. Though his name sounds foreign, Barack’s parents were married in America. His mother was born in Kansas and his father was born in Kenya. When Barack was born to his American parents in Hawaii (they were married), he was born an American citizen.

    There are no two ways about it.

    If I married a guy right now from Honduras in America and we got pregnant and I had the baby in Honduras while on vacation, as I pointed out above via a link, as soon as the baby is born outside the country, I would have to contact American authorities in the country so my child can have American citizenship. A baby born to an American whether it’s inside the United States or outside the United States is an American.

    There is absolutely nothing to this story the neocons have created, but as Clif pointed out, the right wingers can’t win elections on their own values & morals, so they have to smear their opponent and/or steal an election. See? Losers!!!

23. Gage
    October 24th, 2008 @ 11:46 am

    What a cute little boy!

24. JFH
    October 24th, 2008 @ 12:09 pm

    Steph,

    The question is not whether Barack is a “citizen” but whether he is, per Art. 2 Sec. 1 of the Constitution, whether he is a “natural born Citizen”. Obviously, if Sen. Obama was born in Hawaii (which I believe) this is a no-brainer. What some right-wingers have claimed (BTW, Kay this is an OLD, OLD story) is that he was born on foreign soil and that his birth certificate for Hawaii was forged. If Sen. Obama WAS born outside the country, he would not a “natural born Citizen” but instead a “naturalized citizen” based on his mother’s citizenship.

    Ironically, John McCain we KNOW WAS born outside the country, but almost all constitutional scholars agree that because his parents were on foreign soil at the service of their country AND potentially on official US soil (Foreign US bases and embassies are considered US territory as our places like Guam, for example) that he IS a “natural born citizen”.

    This whole game of trying to use the Constitution to eliminate an opponent is about as bad as those psychos on the left and right that claim that they don’t have to pay income taxes.

25. JFH
    October 24th, 2008 @ 12:13 pm

    If I married a guy right now from Honduras in America and we got pregnant and I had the baby in Honduras while on vacation, as I pointed out above via a link, as soon as the baby is born outside the country, I would have to contact American authorities in the country so my child can have American citizenship. A baby born to an American whether it’s inside the United States or outside the United States is an American.

    Wrong, Kay. Yes, he is an American, but most constitutional lawyers would say that he or she is NOT a “natural born citizen”. In other words, an illegal immigrant’s child born in the US CAN run for president, but if you are not on official US business and have a child outside the US, he or she CANNOT run for president.

26. clif
    October 24th, 2008 @ 12:21 pm

    JFH to put it simply;

    You as usual are full of shit.

    1. His mother is not an illegal immigrant, that destroys your argument.

    Either parent being a US Citizen makes their child a US citizen asshole.

    Try passing your crap over at freeperville where they eat shit like you try to sell here.

    Barack IS a US citizen from birth thus he is eligible for and gonna win the white house so get used to it moron.

27. Grant in Texas
    October 24th, 2008 @ 12:58 pm

    Obama would never have received a U.S. Passport at age 6 to move from Honolulu to Jakarta if there was no birth certificate. In the case of no such certificate, the government will issue a passport based upon other sources confirming birth such as a newspaper account (which Obama also has), church baptismal/confirmation and school records that can be verified by a state agency.

28. clif
    October 24th, 2008 @ 1:23 pm

    Grant, JFH is reaching so far up his ass for his comments about now, he risks rupturing his spleen doing it.

    But kool-aid addled reich wingers must do what kool-aid addled reich wingers do to thunk they stand a chance at stealin’ another one.

29. JFH
    October 24th, 2008 @ 2:16 pm

    Clif, did you even bother to read what I said?! I’m not disagreeing with ya’ll. What I meant by my statement is that ANY child born in the US, under current law, is a “natural born Citizen”. US citizens that have a child born overseas is a different argument.

    The Consitution makes a very specific requirement, however, that the President must be a “natural born Citizen”, this is very clear and distinct from being a “US citizen”. If, as I believe, Sen. Obama was born in Hawaii, all this discussion is moot….

    HOWEVER, these right-wingers are claiming that Barack was born in Kenya and as such would NOT be a “natural born citizen” but instead a “naturalized citizen” once his mother filed for US citizenship.

    I AM absolutely right on this point and you are wrong!

30. clif
    October 24th, 2008 @ 3:07 pm

    JFH go tell it to a mirror, maybe the foole in the mirror cares what you screech about son.

31. Uncle Fester Lurks
    October 24th, 2008 @ 3:08 pm

    Here let me squeeze JFH’s head so more shit can spew from his mouth.

32. Uncle Fester Lurks
    October 24th, 2008 @ 3:09 pm

    John McCain, Panamanian.

33. Uncle Fester Lurks
    October 24th, 2008 @ 3:11 pm

    People are going to squabble over whether our presidential candidate is a natural born citizen or not when those who really run our government are international banksters and globalist CEO’s.

34. Uncle Fester Lurks
    October 24th, 2008 @ 3:13 pm

    I should add…international banksters and globalist CEO’s whom have no loyalty to the USA.

35. kayinmaine
    October 24th, 2008 @ 6:42 pm

    JFH, read this:

    http://www.travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_828.html

    It’s from the US Secretary of State’s office about Americans giving birth overseas. It’s not a different story as your pea brain seems to think it is!

    Anne Dunham was a US citizen born in Kansas. Her giving birth anywhere on the planet would make her child a US citizen. She gave birth to Barack in the state of Hawaii of the United States and he is legally a US citizen no matter what heritage his birth father may have been. Get it now, moron, or are you just gonna pull for ‘neocon facts’ out of your ass and throw it at the wall hoping it sticks?

36. kayinmaine
    October 24th, 2008 @ 6:43 pm

    Barack Hussein Obama (his father’s name was Barack Hussein Obama Sr.) is a natural born citizen of the United States. The End.

37. JFH
    October 24th, 2008 @ 7:28 pm

    Her giving birth anywhere on the planet would make her child a US citizen.

    Why do I even bother to argue with you people, you are incapable of understanding a simple argument…. Here is the critical part of Art. 2 Section 1 of the Constitution, that has to do with the requirements for President:

    No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

    NOTE THE DIFFERENCE between the two types of citizens… This is why Governors Schwarzenegger and Granholm (despite their popularity) cannot be on a Presidential ticket.

    Okay morons, pay attention there are only two cases that I have argued here:

    1) If Obama was born in Hawaii after Aug 21, 1959, he IS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. It does not matter what the heritage of his mother OR HIS FATHER is in this case. Of course, a small percentage of people on the right who believe in conspiracies (much like many people on this blog), think that Obama was born in Kenya.

    This brings us to the second case:

    2) If Barack WAS born in Kenya (again, there is no proof of this and lots of proof that he was born in Hawaii), he is NOT a natural born citizen because he was born on foreign soil AND neither parent was in the service of the government. Naturalization is generally automatic if at least one parent is a US citizen, but it’s still NATURALIZATION and not always automatic.

38. steph
    October 24th, 2008 @ 7:35 pm

    Kay, JFH is right, remember you can’t restrospectively apply existing legislation, when Obama was born the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 was in effect and the right to natural born citizenship wasn’t based on blood right alone, his American parent had to prove habitual residence in America and he would lose it if he didn’t maintain habitual residence, which he didn’t. But it’s all academic because Obama is a natural born citizen because he was born in the USA and the law of jus soli grants him that right.

39. kayinmaine
    October 24th, 2008 @ 7:45 pm

    Barack Obama was born in 1961 in Hawaii. His mother and father (Anne Dunham & Barack Hussein Obama Sr.) were legally married in the United States. Anne was born in Kansas and is a naturally born citizen and Barack Sr. was born in Kenya and was not. But, they both were citizens of the United States when Barack was born. Two years after Barack’s birth, Anne and Barack Sr. divorced and he went back to Kenya.

    Why is this so confusing for some here? It’s very simple.

    I AM A NATURALLY BORN CITIZEN (born in Maine) AS WAS ANNE DUNHAM (who was born in Kansas) AND IF I GAVE BIRTH IN NEW HAMPSHIRE OR LOUISIANA OR HAWAII, MY CHILD WOULD BE A NATURALLY BORN CITIZEN NO MATTER IF THE MAN I’M MARRIED TO WAS ORIGINALLY FROM JAPAN!

    When an American marries a person from outside the country inside America and chooses to live in America as their home, the children of this couple are American citizens and are naturally born here.

    Move to Hawaii and first marriage

    In 1960 Dunham’s parents moved to Hawaii to pursue further business opportunities in the new state. She soon enrolled at the University of Hawaii at Manoa, where she studied anthropology. She met Barack Obama Sr., a student from Kenya and the school’s first African student, in a Russian language class at the University.[2] When they became engaged, both sets of parents opposed the marriage, with Obama’s father in particular objecting. Nevertheless, the couple married on February 2, 1961 in Maui, Hawaii, after discovering she was pregnant.[5][1]
    Ann Dunham and Barack Obama
    Ann Dunham and Barack Obama

    On August 4, 1961, at age 18, she gave birth to her first child in Honolulu, named Barack Obama II.

    In an interview, Senator Obama referred to his mother as “the dominant figure in my formative years… The values she taught me continue to be my touchstone when it comes to how I go about the world of politics.”[5]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham

40. steph
    October 24th, 2008 @ 7:48 pm

    @ JFH

    Yeah, I agree. Re McCain, that makes sense too.

41. kayinmaine
    October 24th, 2008 @ 7:52 pm

    This article/post is questioning John McCain’s actual place of birth:

    http://geography.about.com/b/2008/03/26/john-mccain-born-in-canal-zone-can-he-be-president.htm

    I thought this comment was interesting:

    (8) Larry King says:

    This whole argument is preposterous. I was also born in the Panama Canal Zone of military parents. The issue here is not so much whether his parents were American citizens or not – although that in itself should qualify anyone to be a “natural born citizen” – but of territory Sen. McCain was born in. The Panama Canal Zone – up until the great giveaway by Pres. Carter – WAS part of the United States, just as any embassy in any foreign country is considered property of the country who’s embassy it is; just as the District of Columbia (not a state) is considered part of the United States; just as Puerto Rico is (I believe) considered part of the United States although not a state; etc. So, the two issues: born of American citizens and born in US states or territories – these should qualify anyone to be “natural born citizens”

    A child born to an American is considered naturally born. What if Anne Dunham had had a one night stand with Barack Sr., never married, but gave birth to Barack anyways? Barack would be a natural born citizen.

    Last I knew, men do not give birth to babies. Women do, so it’s the mother WHEN A CHILDBIRTH OCCURS (adoption of a child is a different story) THAT DETERMINES IF THE CHILD IS A NATURALLY BORN CITIZEN OR NOT.

42. JFH
    October 24th, 2008 @ 8:00 pm

    Hmmmm, my last comment mysteriously disappeared… that said, Kay you’re comment 38 is correct, comment 35 however is deceptive as we’re talking about the difference between a naturalized citizen and a natural born citizen…

    I really hate being called a moron when I know I’m right…

43. kayinmaine
    October 24th, 2008 @ 8:01 pm

    BARACK’S FUCKING FATHER WAS BORN IN KENYA FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! HE CAME TO HAWAII, MET BARACK’S MOTHER IN HAWAII, ANNE DUNHAM, THEY GOT ENGAGED AND THEN MARRIED IN HAWAII AND THIS MAKES BARACK OBAMA (the guy running for the presidency) A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, BECAUSE HIS MOTHER WAS A NATURALLY BORN CITIZEN FROM THE STATE OF KANSAS. HIS FATHER’S HERITAGE DOES NOT ERASE THE FACT BARACK WAS BORN ON AMERICAN SOIL IN A STATE FORMED 11 YEARS BEFORE HIS BIRTH.

    HIS FATHER WAS BORN IN KENYA. HIS FATHER’S NAME IS THE SAME AS BARACK’S EXCEPT HE HAS “SR” AT THE END OF HIS.

    STOP CONFUSING THIS.

    HIS FATHER WAS BORN IN KENYA. BARACK WAS BORN IN HAWAII.

    BARACK WAS BORN IN HAWAII.

    BARACK WAS BORN IN HAWAII.

    BARACK WAS BORN IN HAWAII.

    AMERICAN SOIL.

    A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

    AMERICAN SOIL.

    A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

    TO A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES, ANNE DUNHAM.

    Is this clear yet? If not, then you’re the most fucking stupidest American of all time.

44. JFH
    October 24th, 2008 @ 8:26 pm

    Read my posts… NO ONE has a case if Obama was born in Hawaii after Hawaii was a state (BTW, the difference between Barack’s birth and statehood is less than 2 years not 11 years)… AND EVEN if he was born before Aug 21, 1959 it falls into that gray area of being a US territory.

    His mother’s citizenship (or his father’s citizenship) is inconsequential when it comes to a “natural born citizen”. It is almost universally accepted that diplomats and military personnel assigned overseas that the “natural born citizen” applies to their children, BUT most scholars agree that children born to US citizens abroad are “naturalized citizens”.

45. kayinmaine
    October 24th, 2008 @ 8:32 pm

    Barack was naturally born here in America in Hawaii of the United States to his mother who was a naturally born citizen of the state of Kansas and to his birth father, who was originally born in Kenya making him a naturally born Kenyan, but married an American in a legal marriage in the state of Hawaii, again…one of 50 states and 7 territories of the United States of America.

    Clear now?

    And stop saying “if Barack was born in Hawaii” because it makes you out to be a typical right wing neocon who is grasping at straws, because you’re scared of a MULATTO MAN AS PRESIDENT!

    Jees.

46. JFH
    October 24th, 2008 @ 9:01 pm

    Kay, you and Clif, read into my comments what you want to read… Reread them assuming they were coming from, say, Steph, and see if anything I wrote was wrong.

    I got the distinct feeling that you were making the argument that any US natural born citizen can give birth to a natural born citizen in dependent of the birth location. THIS IS NOT TRUE, in my opinion… do you disagree with me?

47. steph
    October 24th, 2008 @ 9:13 pm

    Kay, JFH is right. Obama is a natural born citizen because he was born in Hawaii, he had a theoretical claim to being a natural born citizen through his mother’s citizenship if he was born outside the USA, but that would have been conditional and disputable. But Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural born citizen.

    I can see why people might have questioned his citizenship at the beginning of his campaign, but not now. It seems more like a desperate smear attempt but when the bookies have already begun paying out, you know the race has already been won.

48. kayinmaine
    October 24th, 2008 @ 9:16 pm

    Actually, the comment (in defense of John McCain’s birth status) above inside my comment #41 says a person born to an American anywhere on the planet is a naturally born citizen. Now, if a woman is here in America from Kenya and is not an American but gives birth while here, her child is naturally born citizen of America….that is if she wants her child to have America on the child’s birth certificate. She could opt to have her native country as her child’s citizenship.

    Here’s more:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law

49. kayinmaine
    October 24th, 2008 @ 9:18 pm

    And here’s more:

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

50. kayinmaine
    October 24th, 2008 @ 9:19 pm

    Well Steph, that means I’m right too because that’s what I’ve been trying to drive home throughout this thread starting with my post.

51. clif
    October 24th, 2008 @ 9:20 pm

    I really hate being called a moron when I know I’m right…

    Then keep your fingers off the key board and your stupidity won’t show for all the world to see.

52. kayinmaine
    October 24th, 2008 @ 9:23 pm

    

53. JFH
    October 24th, 2008 @ 9:34 pm

    Steph,

    Exactly right, as I said before, this is OLD, OLD news and has been thoroughly debunked.

    Kay, the only place we have a dispute is whether a child born on foreign soil to a US citizen is a natural born citizen… I say that he/she is not, yet (I think) you believe he/she is… I think the general consensus is on my side but like any constitutional question, I could be “wrong”.

54. clif
    October 24th, 2008 @ 9:37 pm

    There ya go again moron.

    Using your fingers to prove your stupidity.

55. kayinmaine
    October 24th, 2008 @ 9:38 pm

    Read the first paragraph of my post. It’s not like I pulled this post out of my ass.

    Of course it’s old news. The first time I heard the neocons were dragging their asses across their lawns like a dog with worms, I knew it was a non-story. Oh, but the neocons have not dropped it!

    Talk to members of your insane party about keeping this non-story alive. Thanks pal.

56. JFH
    October 24th, 2008 @ 9:39 pm

    Then keep your fingers off the key board and your stupidity won’t show for all the world to see.

    I have no problem showing this thread to a group of non-partisan observers and having them determine who has/had the stronger argument… In fact, I’m willing to put money down on it… You game, Clif?

57. kayinmaine
    October 24th, 2008 @ 9:40 pm

    JFH, since I have to do all your work for ya, here’s part of the Nationality Law in our nation from link above:

    Birth within the United States

    Main article: Birthright citizenship in the United States of America

    The Supreme Court has never explicitly ruled on whether children born in the United States to illegal immigrant parents are entitled to birthright citizenship via the 14th Amendment,[2] although it has generally been assumed that they are.[3]. This has become controversial, as some non-residents enter the US as illegal aliens with the intent to give birth to children. A birth certificate is considered evidence of citizenship. This differs from most western nations; countries of the European Union which awarded citizenship to children born there (such as Ireland) closed this possibility.

    In the case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), the Supreme Court ruled that a person who

    * is born in the United States
    * of parents who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of a foreign power
    * whose parents have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States
    * whose parents are there carrying on business and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity of the foreign power to which they are subject

    becomes, at the time of his birth, a citizen of the United States, by virtue of the first clause of the 14th amendment of the Constitution.

    [edit] Through birth abroad to two United States citizens

    See also: jus sanguinis

    In most cases, one is a U.S. citizen if both of the following are true:

    1. Both parents were U.S. citizens at the time of the child’s birth
    2. At least one parent lived in the United States prior to the child’s birth.

    INA 301(c) and INA 301(a)(3) state, “and one of whom has had a residence.” The FAM (Foreign Affairs Manual) states “no amount of time specified.”

    A person’s record of birth abroad, if registered with a U.S. consulate or embassy, is proof of his or her citizenship. He or she may also apply for a passport or a Certificate of Citizenship to have his or her citizenship recognized.

58. kayinmaine
    October 24th, 2008 @ 9:43 pm

    JFH, why are you arguing with me on a point that has nothing to do with Barack Obama? You’re still in the mindset “if Barack was born in America” when clearly he was and I don’t care what the neocons have to say about the photoshopped birth certificate they’ve created to prove otherwise.

    Barack was born in America. Arguing with me about children born to Americans outside America is pointless, but then again, this is a tactic of the neocons to go off on a tangent to make themselves feel better.

59. kayinmaine
    October 24th, 2008 @ 9:45 pm

    A little more reading for you:

    http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20041008.html

    Here’s how I define it:

    A CHILD BORN TO AN AMERICAN IS AN AMERICAN…a natural born citizen. A CHILD BORN TO A JAPANESE WOMAN…is not a natural born American. Okay?

60. clif
    October 24th, 2008 @ 9:46 pm

    Well son right after you prove to me that your insane claim troopergate was a goin’ nowhere ……. remember the TWIT had to testify under oath today idiot. (I bet she lied again as usual).

    Here you’re arguing how many angels can fit on the head of the pin and you admitted YOU COULD BE WRONG stupid.

    Keep the fingers away from the key board other wise people will thunk you’re not too bright son. (They WILL be right).

61. kayinmaine
    October 24th, 2008 @ 9:59 pm

    

62. JFH
    October 25th, 2008 @ 1:20 am

    A CHILD BORN TO AN AMERICAN IS AN AMERICAN…a natural born citizen. A CHILD BORN TO A JAPANESE WOMAN…is not a natural born American. Okay?

    …and what I’m saying is that there is no legal backing to support your premise. (and, yes, Clif, this IS a proverbial, “dancing on the head of a pin” argument, but I’m not wrong based on my understanding of previous court cases)

63. clif
    October 25th, 2008 @ 1:40 am

    There ya go again son, typing moronic statements, you ain’t so sure about.

64. Leslie
    October 31st, 2008 @ 12:29 am

    Wow. I was going to vote for Obama until I started reading these blogs. Seriously guys? You’re calling names like 3rd graders and being so ridiculously immature and rude. If these are the type of spiteful, hateful, sick and partisan people are the future, then count me out. Not even capable of simple English comprehension, respect, and compassion. Kay and Clif, maybe you should shut up before you turn more people off to Obama. You should be deeply ashamed of yourselves for your disgusting behavior.

65. clif
    October 31st, 2008 @ 2:27 am

    Wow. I was going to vote for Obama until I started reading these blogs.

    BULL-FUCKING-SHIT

    Either your a GOD DAMNED liar or an brainless twit.

    Cause if your so stupid you base your vote on a blog you visited ONCE your brainless, thus a member of the reich-wing assholes who have screwed this great country up.

    Otherwise you never were gonna vote for Obama and are just another reich wing lying asshole which is what I believe.

    Thank you for proving the reich-wing are truly the most dishonest and stupid people on the planet.