Hillary Clinton to speak tonight at the Democratic National Convention

We’ll know by the end of Hillary Clinton’s speech if she was mentally at the Democratic National Convention or if she was mentally at the Republican National Convention next week, if you know what I mean.

I’m really hoping Hillary gives a rousing speech tonight pointing out EXACTLY what John McCain stands for which is: EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT THE DIEHARD (non-Operation Chaos Hillary supporters) HILLARY SUPPORTERS STAND FOR!

Jees. You’d think the diehad longtime Hillary supporters would have done the necessary research online to understand what John McCain is all about. The only way they’ll find out now is if Hillary points it out in great detail tonight!

If she doesn’t point out why McCain will be at least 4 more years of George Bush & Dick Cheney’s policies, then we’ll know Hillary is already mentally at the Republican National Convention and wasted everyone’s time tonight why she did a rehearsal for it. Spit.

Something tells me, though, she’s gonna rock! She needs to for the sake of the country. The End.

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  1. She BETTER rock for the state of the country. It disturbs me to hear that some are going to vote for McCain because they feel like Hillary should have won. It is over…Obama is the candidate. Let’s move on and get him into White House.

    I hate the mentality that someone is going to vote for McCain because Hillary isn’t the candidate. That is just stupid. If you want more Bush years, then go ahead and vote for McCain. You deserve exactly what you voted for!

  2. If Cindy McCain gives a speech at the GOPer convention;

    Posted by Neil B

    Hi everyone
    My name is Cindy McCain. I am the wife of a POW.
    I am here at the convention to introduce my husband,
    the next Pow .. I mean president of the United states.
    I met John not long after he was a POW, he was cheating on his wife at the time
    because he had been a POW, and I just could not be prouder that he picked me.
    It was a difficult time in the POW’s … I mean Johns life. You see he had to go home
    to a wife who’d been badly injured in a car accident, now he had seen enough of these injuries when
    he was a POW and felt it was his moral duty to divorce her. Oh sure he tried to work it out by having
    sex with other women to save the marriage – but in the end it did not work because he was a POW.

    I’d like to talk a little about myself and my accomplishments ….
    I married a man who was a POW.

    I was raised in a family with two sisters and I am an only child.
    My father – who like John – the POW – cheated on and divorced his first wife,
    he left me only one hundred million dollars when he died. Subsequently we have only been able to buy twelve houses,
    Sadly it is not enough to keep John from feeling cooped up like a POW.
    I lobby against mothers against drunk driving because I own a beer distributorship – those mothers should not threaten the
    livelihood of a POW. Now you don’t want to get John mad or he might call you a c*nt – which he called me once in public.
    Sadly it is because he was a POW, that may have been the low point of my life. But I bounced back and told people that
    mother Teresa told me to adopt a child even though I just made that part up because John was a POW.
    I could go on and on and on and on,
    but just let me leave off tonight by saying thank you all, and thank God, that John was a POW.

  3. I don’t think Hillary will damage her creds with Democrats. I worry more about the cameras panning on the die-hards in the audience. You know the MSM, especially Fox, will try to make something of it. I quit watching the MSM and began watching C-Span as the other networks cut out the majority of the speeches. They would rather talk among themselves, get Pat Buchanan’s reich-wing view than let folks hear folks like Gov. Sibelius, Gov. Scweitzer of Montana, Federico Pena, to name a few that were not shown on the big networks.

  4. She delivered;

    Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton
    Remarks to the Democratic National Convention
    August 26, 2008
    Remarks as Prepared for Delivery

    I am honored to be here tonight. A proud mother. A proud Democrat. A proud American. And a proud supporter of Barack Obama.

    My friends, it is time to take back the country we love.

    Whether you voted for me, or voted for Barack, the time is now to unite as a single party with a single purpose. We are on the same team, and none of us can sit on the sidelines.

    This is a fight for the future. And it’s a fight we must win.

    I haven’t spent the past 35 years in the trenches advocating for children, campaigning for universal health care, helping parents balance work and family, and fighting for women’s rights at home and around the world . . . to see another Republican in the White House squander the promise of our country and the hopes of our people.

    And you haven’t worked so hard over the last 18 months, or endured the last eight years, to suffer through more failed leadership.

    No way. No how. No McCain.

    Barack Obama is my candidate. And he must be our President.

    Tonight we need to remember what a Presidential election is really about. When the polls have closed, and the ads are finally off the air, it comes down to you — the American people, your lives, and your children’s futures.

    For me, it’s been a privilege to meet you in your homes, your workplaces, and your communities. Your stories reminded me everyday that America’s greatness is bound up in the lives of the American people — your hard work, your devotion to duty, your love for your children, and your determination to keep going, often in the face of enormous obstacles.

    You taught me so much, you made me laugh, and . . . you even made me cry. You allowed me to become part of your lives. And you became part of mine.

    I will always remember the single mom who had adopted two kids with autism, didn’t have health insurance and discovered she had cancer. But she greeted me with her bald head painted with my name on it and asked me to fight for health care.

    I will always remember the young man in a Marine Corps t-shirt who waited months for medical care and said to me: “Take care of my buddies; a lot of them are still over there … .and then will you please help take care of me?”

    I will always remember the boy who told me his mom worked for the minimum wage and that her employer had cut her hours. He said he just didn’t know what his family was going to do.

    I will always be grateful to everyone from all fifty states, Puerto Rico and the territories, who joined our campaign on behalf of all those people left out and left behind by the Bush Administration.

    To my supporters, my champions — my sisterhood of the traveling pantsuits – from the bottom of my heart: Thank you.

    You never gave in. You never gave up. And together we made history.

    Along the way, America lost two great Democratic champions who would have been here with us tonight. One of our finest young leaders, Arkansas Democratic Party Chair, Bill Gwatney, who believed with all his heart that America and the South could be and should be Democratic from top to bottom.

    And Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones, a dear friend to many of us, a loving mother and courageous leader who never gave up her quest to make America fairer and smarter, stronger and better. Steadfast in her beliefs, a fighter of uncommon grace, she was an inspiration to me and to us all.

    Our heart goes out to Stephanie’s son, Mervyn, Jr, and Bill’s wife, Rebecca, who traveled to Denver to join us at our convention.

    Bill and Stephanie knew that after eight years of George Bush, people are hurting at home, and our standing has eroded around the world. We have a lot of work ahead.

    Jobs lost, houses gone, falling wages, rising prices. The Supreme Court in a right-wing headlock and our government in partisan gridlock. The biggest deficit in our nation’s history. Money borrowed from the Chinese to buy oil from the Saudis.

    Putin and Georgia, Iraq and Iran.

    I ran for President to renew the promise of America. To rebuild the middle class and sustain the American Dream, to provide the opportunity to work hard and have that work rewarded, to save for college, a home and retirement, to afford the gas and groceries and still have a little left over each month.

    To promote a clean energy economy that will create millions of green collar jobs.

    To create a health care system that is universal, high quality, and affordable so that parents no longer have to choose between care for themselves or their children or be stuck in dead end jobs simply to keep their insurance.

    To create a world class education system and make college affordable again.

    To fight for an America defined by deep and meaningful equality – from civil rights to labor rights, from women’s rights to gay rights, from ending discrimination to promoting unionization to providing help for the most important job there is: caring for our families. To help every child live up to his or her God-given potential.

    To make America once again a nation of immigrants and a nation of laws.

    To bring fiscal sanity back to Washington and make our government an instrument of the public good, not of private plunder.

    To restore America’s standing in the world, to end the war in Iraq, bring our troops home and honor their service by caring for our veterans.

    And to join with our allies to confront our shared challenges, from poverty and genocide to terrorism and global warming.

    Most of all, I ran to stand up for all those who have been invisible to their government for eight long years.

    Those are the reasons I ran for President. Those are the reasons I support Barack Obama. And those are the reasons you should too.

    I want you to ask yourselves: Were you in this campaign just for me? Or were you in it for that young Marine and others like him? Were you in it for that mom struggling with cancer while raising her kids? Were you in it for that boy and his mom surviving on the minimum wage? Were you in it for all the people in this country who feel invisible?

    We need leaders once again who can tap into that special blend of American confidence and optimism that has enabled generations before us to meet our toughest challenges. Leaders who can help us show ourselves and the world that with our ingenuity, creativity, and innovative spirit, there are no limits to what is possible in America.

    This won’t be easy. Progress never is. But it will be impossible if we don’t fight to put a Democrat in the White House.

    We need to elect Barack Obama because we need a President who understands that America can’t compete in a global economy by padding the pockets of energy speculators, while ignoring the workers whose jobs have been shipped overseas. We need a President who understands that we can’t solve the problems of global warming by giving windfall profits to the oil companies while ignoring opportunities to invest in new technologies that will build a green economy.

    We need a President who understands that the genius of America has always depended on the strength and vitality of the middle class.

    Barack Obama began his career fighting for workers displaced by the global economy. He built his campaign on a fundamental belief that change in this country must start from the ground up, not the top down. He knows government must be about “We the people” not “We the favored few.”

    And when Barack Obama is in the White House, he’ll revitalize our economy, defend the working people of America, and meet the global challenges of our time. Democrats know how to do this. As I recall, President Clinton and the Democrats did it before. And President Obama and the Democrats will do it again.

    He’ll transform our energy agenda by creating millions of green jobs and building a new, clean energy future. He’ll make sure that middle class families get the tax relief they deserve. And I can’t wait to watch Barack Obama sign a health care plan into law that covers every single American.

    Barack Obama will end the war in Iraq responsibly and bring our troops home – a first step to repairing our alliances around the world.

    And he will have with him a terrific partner in Michelle Obama. Anyone who saw Michelle’s speech last night knows she will be a great First Lady for America.

    Americans are also fortunate that Joe Biden will be at Barack Obama’s side. He is a strong leader and a good man. He understands both the economic stresses here at home and the strategic challenges abroad. He is pragmatic, tough, and wise. And, of course, Joe will be supported by his wonderful wife, Jill.

    They will be a great team for our country.

    Now, John McCain is my colleague and my friend.

    He has served our country with honor and courage.

    But we don’t need four more years . . . of the last eight years.

    More economic stagnation … and less affordable health care.

    More high gas prices … and less alternative energy.

    More jobs getting shipped overseas … and fewer jobs created here.

    More skyrocketing debt …home foreclosures … and mounting bills that are crushing our middle class families.

    More war . . . less diplomacy.

    More of a government where the privileged come first … and everyone else comes last.

    John McCain says the economy is fundamentally sound. John McCain doesn’t think that 47 million people without health insurance is a crisis. John McCain wants to privatize Social Security. And in 2008, he still thinks it’s okay when women don’t earn equal pay for equal work.

    With an agenda like that, it makes sense that George Bush and John McCain will be together next week in the Twin Cities. Because these days they’re awfully hard to tell apart.

    America is still around after 232 years because we have risen to the challenge of every new time, changing to be faithful to our values of equal opportunity for all and the common good.

    And I know what that can mean for every man, woman, and child in America. I’m a United States Senator because in 1848 a group of courageous women and a few brave men gathered in Seneca Falls, New York, many traveling for days and nights, to participate in the first convention on women’s rights in our history.

    And so dawned a struggle for the right to vote that would last 72 years, handed down by mother to daughter to granddaughter – and a few sons and grandsons along the way.

    These women and men looked into their daughters’ eyes, imagined a fairer and freer world, and found the strength to fight. To rally and picket. To endure
    ridicule and harassment. To brave violence and jail.

    And after so many decades – 88 years ago on this very day – the 19th amendment guaranteeing women the right to vote would be forever enshrined in our Constitution.

    My mother was born before women could vote. But in this election my daughter got to vote for her mother for President.

    This is the story of America. Of women and men who defy the odds and never give up.

    How do we give this country back to them?

    By following the example of a brave New Yorker , a woman who risked her life to shepherd slaves along the Underground Railroad.

    And on that path to freedom, Harriett Tubman had one piece of advice.

    If you hear the dogs, keep going.

    If you see the torches in the woods, keep going.

    If they’re shouting after you, keep going.

    Don’t ever stop. Keep going.

    If you want a taste of freedom, keep going.

    Even in the darkest of moments, ordinary Americans have found the faith to keep going.

    I’ve seen it in you. I’ve seen it in our teachers and firefighters, nurses and police officers, small business owners and union workers, the men and women of our military – you always keep going.

    We are Americans. We’re not big on quitting.

    But remember, before we can keep going, we have to get going by electing Barack Obama president.

    We don’t have a moment to lose or a vote to spare.

    Nothing less than the fate of our nation and the future of our children hang in the balance.

    I want you to think about your children and grandchildren come election day. And think about the choices your parents and grandparents made that had such a big impact on your life and on the life of our nation.

    We’ve got to ensure that the choice we make in this election honors the sacrifices of all who came before us, and will fill the lives of our children with possibility and hope.

    That is our duty, to build that bright future, and to teach our children that in America there is no chasm too deep, no barrier too great – and no ceiling too high – for all who work hard, never back down, always keep going, have faith in God, in our country, and in each other.

    Thank you so much. God bless America and Godspeed to you all.

  5. If anybody wants to claim Hillary Clinton doesn’t whole heartedly support Barack Obama for president, they just got their truth-o-cution.

  6. Ted Strickland NAILED the idiocy of Bush;

    “George Bush started on third base, and then he stole second.”

  7. Clif, you’re right. If they’d vote for McShame then they deserve him. BUT YOU AND I DON’T DESERVE HIM AND NEITHER DOES MY KID! If the crybabies don’t want to vote for Obama out of spite then so be it. They shouldn’t vote for him. They should just stay home. If these assholes vote for McShame because they honestly think he’s a closer match to Hillary than Obama is, then that tells me all I need to know about Hillary. They should think about that if they want Hillary to have another chance at the presidency. If they’re spiteful enough to vote for McShame, just wait and see how spiteful we Obama supporters can be in the next election.

  8. Gage she spoke to that,

    she said;

    I want you to ask yourselves: Were you in this campaign just for me? Or were you in it for that young Marine and others like him? Were you in it for that mom struggling with cancer while raising her kids? Were you in it for that boy and his mom surviving on the minimum wage? Were you in it for all the people in this country who feel invisible?

    She laid down a gauntlet for the people who claim the PUMA banner

  9. She’s saying if you claim to be a democrat, YOU must vote for Obama because McCain is NOT what I campaigned for and he don’t stand for what fought for.

    To quote Hillary;

    No way, No how, No McCain

  10. At 538 they said this;

    How you’ll know that Hillary’s speech was a winner:

    If the principal Republican talking point tomorrow is: “the speech was too good! It just proves that she should have been the [Presidential/Vice Presidential] nominee!”

    Pat Buchanan just said

    “Why didn’ they put Hillary on the ticket,”

    QED

  11. Clif, thanks for that link to the Kucinich speech, I was going to try and catch it earlier but missed it.

  12. Kucinich gave some straight talk and hit the nail on the head. I loved when he said “Neo-con-artists”
    He was fired up! Love to see that kind of emotion in a politician. Just another reason to admire Dennis Kucinich!!!

  13. Good morning everyone! I thought Hillary’s speech was fantastic last night. As Clif pointed out, Democrats loved hearing her say, “No way…no how….NO MCCAIN”. Loved it! :lol:

    There was one Hillary supporter interviewed last night who said she will go on with Hillary’s wishes. Hey, if me being a Dennis Kucinich supporter can heed his words when he said to all of us to throw our support to Barack Obama when he dropped out, then the Hillary supporters can too!

    It’s very simple: DEMOCRATS NEED TO WIN IN NOVEMBER and voting for Johnny McTeleprompter who has stated he will get rid of Roe v. Wade is absolutely ridiculous! It just doesn’t make sense. If the Hillary supporters were supporting her for her issues, then voting for John McCain is a stab in her back. She made that point well last night too!

    I loved her Harriet Tubman’s quote at the end.

    “If you hear the dogs, keep going. If you see the torches in the woods, keep going. If they’re shouting after you, keep going. Don’t ever stop. Keep going. If you want a taste of freedom, keep going. Even in the darkest of moments, ordinary Americans have found the faith to keep going.”

    Fantastic. ;-)

    Speaking of dogs, they tried to infect my computer last night! Oh yes. Apparently my post about Susan Collins having an affair with a married man is making the dogs nervous! I’m sure Lance Dutson who is Suzie-Q’s IT person intentionally had the Google Alert link to my post go to a porno site to INFECT ANYONE’S COMPUTER WHO CLICKS ON IT.

    Nice huh? The Collins Mafia has long knives. They’ll do anything to protect Suzie-Q from pertinent questions and any kind of scrutiny! Well…

    “If you get the dog’s viruses & trojans on your computer, keep going! If you get the dog’s threats on your life, keep going! Don’t stop until the sunlight has killed the dogs!” – KayInMaine :lol:

  14. I will say she gave a fairly nice speech, but that is it. I will have to call her out on two specific points though and should many other people:

    “I will always remember the single mom who had adopted two kids with autism, didn’t have health insurance and discovered she had cancer. But she greeted me with her bald head painted with my name on it and asked me to fight for health care.”

    I foremost have to call BS on this one.
    1. Who/what agency would allow someone to adopt to autistic kids (special need) children without having health care. When my friends adopted their children they were specifically asked and required to prove they had health care before they were allowed to adopt their daughter. It was a rather long and hard process in which I agree with. I would have to ask HRC what city and state that this women happened to live and since she could so willing share her story she would have to easily remember her location. I would have to ask did she have health care when she adopted these children? If so what changed in her life that caused her to lose her coverage. If she wasn’t covered what gave her the simple idea that she could care for these children and give them everything they “need” and not allow them to be neglected, by not being able to see a doctor?
    2.”By following the example of a brave New Yorker , a woman who risked her life to shepherd slaves along the Underground Railroad.
    And on that path to freedom, Harriett Tubman had one piece of advice.”-HRC

    She must know that Harriet Tubman was not a “New Yorker” she was from Maryland, and she escaped to Pennsylvania. She by no means was a New Yorker.

    Other than that I really don’t have a problem with the speech even though I do not agree with democrats on almost none of the issues it was a very well orchestrated “fluffy feel good” speech.

  15. We know how much the reichwingers hate feel good stories. I bet they cannot wait for the republican convention where they will hear nothing but smears, attacks, lies, distorted truths, the surge, offshore oil drilling, abortion, 9/11 and the POW, the POW, the POW, the POW, the POW, the POW, the POW, the POW, the POW.

  16. UFL, I have no problems with “feel good stories” I just have problems without outright statements that are no way believable once you examine them. I just happen to think the one that HRC stated last night about the mother w/autistic children without health care was a bold face lie, along with “mis-speaking” about Harriet Tubman. That’s all.

    But chastise and mis-quote if you must sir, if it makes you feel better and look like a fool.

  17. I felt Hillary gave the right speech but I still don’t trust the Clintons. Andrea Mitchell reported that Bill is still out there saying less than positive things about Barack Obama. IF Obama is defeated and McCain indicates he may only serve one term (by choice or by health), then Hillary will be fresh for 2012. The Clintons cannot piss off the Democratic base so they have to say good things. If Obama is elected and the Secret Service does their job, he will stay in office until 2016 and Hillary would be 70 at her inauguration. She will suffer then by having pundits and Republicans saying she is “too old”!

    The Texas Republicans are actively pushing John McCain to select the conservative Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson to be his running mate. They say she can draw 1/3 of the Hillary supporters to McCain. Hutchinson, who has been called a “homewrecker” here in Texas, would be good fit for Johhny Teleprompter. A divorcee, she met Ray Hutchinson, a married man when both were in the Texas legislature. Their romance was rumored to have begun at that time. However, they didn’t publicly date until after Hutchinson left his wife and kids four years later.

    “One house, One spouse”….Obama-Biden

  18. Dallas BILLIONAIRE Harold Simmons (worth $2.6 as per Forbes) is spending several million to Swift Boat Obama. He has bankrolled a TV commercial to be broadcast this week to connect an 8 year-old Barry, in school in Indonesia, with the Weather Underground here in the USA in 1969.

    Watch for John McCain to condemn this slimey ad.

  19. Hyde another human anal cyst said;

    “She must know that Harriet Tubman was not a “New Yorker” she was from Maryland, and she escaped to Pennsylvania. She by no means was a New Yorker.”

    Hillary Clinton said,

    “By following the example of a brave New Yorker , a woman who risked her life to shepherd slaves along the Underground Railroad.
    And on that path to freedom, Harriett Tubman had one piece of advice.”

    The truth is;

    In early 1859, abolitionist US Senator William H. Seward sold Tubman a small piece of land on the outskirts of Auburn, New York for US$1,200.

    When the American Civil War began, Tubman worked for the Union Army, first as a cook and nurse, and then as an armed scout and spy. The first woman to lead an armed expedition in the war, she guided the raid on the Combahee River, which liberated more than seven hundred slaves. After the war, she retired to the family home in Auburn, New York, where she cared for her aging parents. She was active in the women’s suffrage movement until illness overtook her and she had to be admitted to a home for elderly African-Americans she had helped open years earlier. After she died in 1913, she became an icon of American courage and freedom.

    Bought land in New York … check

    Family Home in Auburn New York …. check

    Parents live in Auburn New York …. check

    Lets see, Family home is in Auburn New York, she lives there taking care of her parents which also live there, sort of makes her a new yorker,

    Wanna bet the US Army considered Harriet Tubman a New Yorker since she owned a home in Auburn New York while she served the United States against the criminal traitors who attacked it in the 1860′s

    So Hillary is right….. again

    and

    Hyde a stoopid foole …. again.

    Bhawahwhahwhawhhaaaa

    BTW Hyde quit eating the paste.

  20. Well Clif and Grant, Hydes and most like him/her are those who rely on the radical right to get their information. They are too intellectually lazy to actually seek out the truth and no doubt lack the mental capacity to filter out truth from lies, right from wrong.

    These people are so far gone, that if when they visit a public library they stay to the right and if they ever attend church they feel they must sit in the pews to the right side of the Pastor. Barack Obama could find a cure for cancer and the radical reichwing would attack him for it. It’s just the way they are, negative, hateful, racist, gullible, self loathing people, who only care about material things, money and social status among their peers.

  21. Clif,Grant, and UFL I will apologize, I was unaware she retired there, so I will say I was wrong. I will gladly admit to it when I am. But I have yet to see you respond to the first part of my issue with the HRC speech about the woman with autistic children. Do you believe it is ok for someone to adopt children, when they are unable to take care of them? Do you believe that this woman even exist?

    Clif- No my parents didn’t home school me, I just went with the info I remembered without having to copy and paste from Wikipedia.

    Grant – Actually I quite detest Rush and the like as much as I dislike thinkprogress and dailykos. I like to see/hear/read information for myself, and then perform my own opinion and not repeat the “daily talking points” of both parties.

    UFL- I don’t go the way of the “radical right”. I just happen to disagree with Obama for his shotty policy procedures. I look at as myself, if his uncapping of FICA taxes above ($102,00)and the already unrelated capping of Medicad(1.5% matching) taxes, I will be close to paying almost 63% of my income directly to the government. I believe they take enough as is where last year alone I paid 45% of my total income in taxes, and I see no reason to give them more. I by no means am super rich, I am middle class at best. I just happen to work in a field that is very large, and live in a state where my property taxes are quite low. I see no reason to elect a candidate that has ran on a platform of HOPE and CHANGE and that he is going to leave me with is the change in pocket.

  22. Fester years ago I realized that I had to fact check any right winger, because they usually turn out to be wrong.

    Wanna bet “hyde” hides a for a few days again?

  23. It is also good to Google their postings as most often they are plagiarized…..cut-and-paste jobs from sites like Free Republic, Townhall, WorldNutDaily, or NewsMax.

  24. Fester years ago I realized that I had to fact check any right winger, because they usually turn out to be wrong.

    Except when they’re right and then you obfuscate for a few days and finally say the data is controlled by a conspiracy ;)

  25. This week the McCain forces will have up two more television
    commercials marketed to only a few states but which will be given FREE showings to the nation over-and-over by cablenews.

    First there is the “unapproved” Swift Boat ad by Dallas billionaire, Harold Simmons connecting an 8 year old school boy in Indonesia with the Weather Underground in the USA in 1969!

    Then this ad APPROVED by John McCain who vows to run a positive campaign:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhH2q6h7_Ow

    Andrew Sullivan says that McCain’s ad people sliced and diced this quote from Barack Obama to compose the ad….

    “Strong countries and strong Presidents talk to their adversaries. That’s what Kennedy did with Khrushchev. That’s what Reagan did with Gorbachev. That’s what Nixon did with Mao. I mean, think about it: Iran, Cuba, Venezuela– these are tiny countries compared with the Soviet Union. They don’t pose a serious threat to us the way the Soviet Union posed a threat to us. And yet we were willing to talk to the Soviet Union at a time when they were saying, ‘We’re going to wipe
    you off the planet.’ And ultimately, that direct engagement led to a series of measures that helped prevent nuclear war and over time allowed the kind of opening that brought down the Berlin Wall.”

    Who says Karl Rove isn’t involved in this campaign! Fearmongering is all he knows.

  26. Except when they’re right and then you obfuscate for a few days and finally say the data is controlled by a conspiracy

    Nice try at LYING JFH, but I said the government admits they MANIPULATE the stats.

    No conspiracy son they admit it,

    So 25 demerits for dishonesty go walk them off boy.

  27. Yes Clif. Hydes was home schooled. Every day his parents would come out to the barnyard and yell, “Hydes! Did you eat your rotten doughnuts from the pig’s trough?!!!!”, and Hydes would answer, “Yes!”, and his parents would say, “Okay son. You passed for today. Good job!”.
    :lol:

    Okay, I’m leaving shortly to do some phone-banking. I’m hoping to be on later, but we’ll see. Talk to you soon! ;-)

  28. Unity 08 ……………

    Obama nominated by acclamation ………

    Motion offered by Hillary …………..

    the PUMA fraud failed miserably ……

    NOW McInsane trolls how are ya gonna try deceitfully to sow dissension?

  29. BTW reich wing trolls;

    But the Pon Paul alternate convention in Milwaukee is REAL.

    Wanna bet the corporate owned MSM will forget to cover this much more real attempt to derail the McInsane coronation, ….. then their dishonest PUMA right wing talking points of supposed disunity which NEVER happened in Denver.

  30. Speaking of Ron Paul, he is holding his own convention during the RNC convention just across the Mississippi river from St. Paul in Minneapolis at the Target Center. Hmmmm….I wonder if the MSM will give that event any coverage?

  31. Fester, Tom Brokaw asked Sen John Testor if Ron Paul is on the ballot in Montana if that will hurt McInsane’s chances.

    Could the clueless freaks at the corporate owned MSM realize they might just have missed the real disunity story of 08 with their pushing the dishonest PUMA fraud?

    Could Ron Paul turn out to be a reincarnation of Ross Perot?

  32. to clif:

    your homeschoolin’ showin’ again son..

    Was it the fact Dad kept hittin’n ya son, or the interruptions so Mom could service the truckers which gave you such outstanding spelling skills son

  33. not clif Says:

    the only thing ya got right son;

    your certainly NOT me

    your a gutless yellow elephant fraud.

  34. so which was it? Dad hittin’n ya son, or Mom could servicing the truckers?

    or was it Dad servicing the truckers? lol!

  35. that all ya got left son;

    juvenile taunts when the truth shits all over your dishonest talking points?

    Damn you yellow bellied repugs are so predictable.

  36. Nice try at LYING JFH, but I said the government admits they MANIPULATE the stats.

    Now we’re back to the same impass, YOU claim that the government manipulates the stats in some nefarious way, I say that all stats MUST be manipulated to eliminate errors and bias… and every statistitian would back me up.

    If you want to claim ALL stats are bunk, that’s fine, but remember then you have nothing to back up the majority of your arguments.

  37. McCain needs to be seen as “the WAR president” in order to get elected. Robert Scheer, former columnist for the L.A. Times and now a major contributor to AlterNet writes:

    “McCain can win only as a war president. He neither knows nor cares much about the economic meltdown, which is the consequence of the deregulation mania that he has supported at every turn during his career in the Senate. If McCain had to run on his economic policy record in the Senate, he might be a loser even in his home state of Arizona, whose residents are suffering mightily from economic disarray presided over by the Republicans. Better to dwell on the dubious success of the surge in Iraq than on the surge in home mortgage foreclosures and the price of gasoline that has crippled Arizona’s and the nation’s economy. Still better to change the subject to the Russians and Georgia rather than dwell overly long on the disaster of Iraq, which has cost our nation trillions of dollars and where the prime minister now is far more zealous than Barack Obama in calling for an early withdrawal of U.S. troops. But whatever McCain’s problems from cheerleading for Bush’s war, they pale in comparison to his vulnerability on the most pressing domestic issues.”

    Karl Rove won the last election using FEAR and it looks like McCain is getting the same advice now.

    http://www.truthdig.com/report....._any_cost/

  38. JFH sorry but when they admit they pick the people they ask for info, THEN massage it to produce what they want, and you LIE and claim I said it was a conspiracy.

    It ain’t NO grand conspiracy, just the republican way of doing things, which Reagan ET Al started and Bush and his criminal minions have continued.

    If YOU think that is a conspiracy, well that is your problem son.

    Now get back to walking those demerits off squid.

  39. There goes JFH, the mental midget attempting to prove how superior he is. The fact is BOTH parties manipulate the numbers. Numbers are manipulated in businesses that fail to meet their forecasts. Governments manipulate the numbers to make them appear to be doing a good job or to hide the truth about unemployment and/or inflation, etc, etc, from the public.

    JFH how f**king naive are you? To think the government just manipulates numbers and stats to hide error and bias!?! Bah hahahahahahahha and then to make the pompous claim that everystatistician out there would agree with your claim. Totally f**king funny!!!!!!!

  40. Actually no you didn’t scare me away…nor did you hit my nerves…I gladly admitted I was wrong, but still am waiting you to answer the questions from post #28 and am still awaiting an answer from any of you….since reading probably isn’t your strong suit, I again ask:

    Do you believe it is ok for someone to adopt children, when they are unable to take care of them? Do you believe that this woman even exist?

  41. Hyde why don’t YOU go find out son,

    after all finding facts seem to be YOUR strong suit ………..

    and

    QUIT eating paste son.

  42. Hyde, do I think a woman who has health issues should be able to adopt children? I guess that depends on her condition. If she is going to drop dead in a few years, no I don’t think a woman should be able to adopt a child. But that decision isn’t made by you or I it is made by a doctor and the adoption board. Do I think Hillary is lying? I really could care a less because I don’t really care for Hillary or Bill so other than her speech trying to unite the democratic party (which I believe she has succeeded in doing) I could care a less. I guess you have some research to do to find out if she was lying before you just assume that she was….don’t you?

  43. Hyde…heres a question back at you. You are obviously pro-life, you are against abortion. Teen pregnancy and unplanned pregnancy happen every day. Now being that you are against abortion and the woman having the baby may be a single mother, are you against programs to assist in helping her raise her child?

  44. Fester hyde ain’t assuming nothin’

    He’s reading the talking points KKKarl pulled outa his ass last night.

    Hyde ain’t bright enuf to assume much at all.

  45. Hydes, I feel for you… You admit your mistake and yet these losers lock in that one mistake and brand you as a liar. The ironic thing (as shown in this thread) is that they don’t care when THEY’RE side is lying.

    The fact is BOTH parties manipulate the numbers.

    Ironically, neither party has ever accused the BLS as being biased by the party of the President, whether Dem or Rep. Some have critized the statisical methods, but never the political bias angle.

    Once again, UFL, what you’ve done is taken EVERY stat off the table as FACT. So, therefore, you can never use ANY statistic to prove your point. That’s an enviable position. It means that your personal obsevations can be the “truth” and no one can argue with you.

  46. Hydes, I feel for you…

    how funny a dishonest troll crying about another dishonest troll gettin’ cause again.

    this ain’t the first time fur hyde, squid, he’s been wrong and caught before more then once,

    Now get back to walkin’ off those demerits.

  47. The poll numbers right now are trying to manipulate the voting public into believing this is a close presidential race this year. The neocons in the RNC need the race to be close so they can steal another election using Diebold computers and other methods.

  48. Yep, Kay, that’s where polling companies make there money, “manipulating the voting public”. You really don’t understand business do you?

  49. You really don’t understand business do you?

    Yes WE do, the pollsters have been wrong MUCH more then they are ever right.

    They still try to foist their polls as the word.

    The business is to keep selling a very defective product, and little more.

  50. Manipulating polls is good for staying in power and as we all know, the neocons currently in the White House have a lot to hide, so it makes sense they would want to control the public’s thinking so when they steal the election, dumb dumb Americans will say, “hey, it was only 1% difference between Johnny & Barack”. See?

    It’s also profitable to stay in power….for Diebold…and the MIC.

  51. Diebold is a 3 billion dollar company… Soros could buy the company overnignt. You do the political math

  52. Nope, just reasonable doubt… or better yet, obvious doubt. The software isn’t NEAR as propietary as Diebold wants the public to be(That would lower stock value). Can an individual hack an individual voting machine? Sure, but to do it on a statewide level is impossible.

  53. BTW, diebold’s reputation is akin top dog shit,

    so they pull the normal corporate strategy

    change their name NOT their flawed product;

    Diebols election division is now called, Premier Election Solutions

    In 2006 Diebold decided to remove its name from the front of the voting machines for strategic reasons.

    yes, their product was crap so they changed the name to hide they were behind the new crap.

  54. Once again JFH types a bunch of words but they only make sense in his superior if not deluded mind.

    I’m sorry I cannot remember this guys name but I heard him on Air America, he was a guest and a conservative economist. Here’s what he had to say:

    Our countries unemployment numbers are being manipulated, true numbers if given would show unemployment to be between 9-12%.

    On inflation, the numbers began to be manipulated by the Clinton campaign, which hurts the elderly as the yearly cost of living increase on benefits they receive never reflects the true inflation % which he claimed was between 8-10%.

    So JFH can make his statements and proclaim he is right and everyone else is wrong all he wants, but the truth is the truth and having a republican sister I know how much they hate to have to deal with or hear about the truth.

  55. Now to delve in this a little further. Which party was in control of both houses of congress and the presidency in 2003?

    The republicans.

    When did our government discontinue unemployment benefits extensions? 2003. Why? So they didn’t have to shell out extra benefits to the American workers who still might need them. I guess they needed this extra money for wars and stuff.

    Nationwide unemployment numbers between 2003 until 2007 have roughly been between 4.5% to 5.3% Since congress killed the unemployment extension benefits, the only way for an unemployed worker to collect extensions was if the unemployment rate in his state was higher then 5.5%. The Labor department can manipulate the numbers enough to make sure the unemployment numbers remain below that 5.5%.

    Americans who are unemployed and remain unemployed after their unemployment benefits run out are considered employed by our government, does this reflect the true unemployment numbers in our country? No! Could this be a blatant manipulation of stats and numbers? Yes! Now I’d be lying if I said I am curious to read JFH’s coming response but I would be lying as I find JHF to be quite the presumptuous bore and Bush ass kisser.

  56. JFH Says:
    August 27, 2008 at 9:37 pm
    Can an individual hack an individual voting machine? Sure, but to do it on a statewide level is impossible.
    “““““““““““““““““““““`
    Once again the resident clown makes himself look sooooooooooo stupid. Um….dumbass. One does not have to hack voting macbines on a state wide level. All they have to due is hack voting machines in various key counties. Boy are you stupid or what.

  57. Once again the resident clown makes himself look sooooooooooo stupid. Um….dumbass. One does not have to hack voting macbines on a state wide level. All they have to due is hack voting machines in various key counties. Boy are you stupid or what.

    How stupid are you? What “key” counties are you talking about? Logic would dictate that these would be high populateion centers which Democrats typically control, you think the Dems in those areas are too stupid to allow someone to mess with their machines… and then to mess with them again so that there is no record of the tampering?

  58. Logic would dictate spin spin spin away but logic doesn’t dictate each election is different and dirty tricks are the republican brand.

    You can write all the crap you want but your wrong AGAIN

    Logic dioesn’t dictate anything elections aren’t the same everywhere,

    but claim superiority because you got NO FACTS to back it up

  59. UFL – wow again I think my post (#50) is correct you have a hard time reading….let me re-ask it one more time:

    “Do you believe it is ok for someone to adopt children, when they are unable to take care of them?” not do I think a woman who has health issues should be able to adopt children?”

    There is a vast difference in between those two questions…for once try to be honest and answer the question asked and not side step it, let me show you how to do it…

    You asked, “Hyde…heres a question back at you. You are obviously pro-life, you are against abortion. Teen pregnancy and unplanned pregnancy happen every day. Now being that you are against abortion and the woman having the baby may be a single mother, are you against programs to assist in helping her raise her child?”

    I am not against programs that help her raise her child, but I am not for government sponsored programs as “welfare” (in its current state, it needs a vast over haul). I believe there are numerous private and charitable organizations that can do a much better job than the government can. I can open the yellow pages in my state and pull out over 350 organizations that are setup on this business model that do not take government dollars.

    Let me also ask UFL, seeing by this question you are obviously pro-choice. Do you believe that if the woman chooses to have an abortion, and it is botched and the baby is born alive, do you believe the womans original choice to have the baby killed is still the choice to go with or should the doctor(s) live by their Hippocratic Oath and “do no harm” and allow the baby to live? (sorry for the “KKKarl Rove talking point” as you would put it, but I find it to be a very interesting question.

    There is this great saying that I believe in with my whole heart, “it’s funny how all the people with a pro-choice stance, are still alive”

  60. Well gee JFH I don’t know, it seems to me that what you just explained DID actually happen in Ohio…dumbass! But hey you go ahead and deny it because your dying party would never resort to cheating or lying or stealing to win an election. F**King mental midget.

  61. Hydes, apparently you can’t read I believe I said no.

    Are you against corporate welfare? Do you like your tax dollars being used to bail out Wall street, airliners, etc, etc,

    Reichwingers love to point out socialism (programs to help the poor) but they are all for corporate socialism. America has become the insurance company to Wallstreet and floundering corporations but thats okay with the radical right. Brilliant!

  62. UFL – sorry son you still have problems with reading and retention. I will point out again post#53 you stated “Hyde, do I think a woman who has health issues should be able to adopt children? I guess that depends on her condition. If she is going to drop dead in a few years, NO I don’t think a woman should be able to adopt a child.”

    that again is not my question…my question is “Do you believe it is ok for SOMEONE to adopt children, when they are unable to take care of them?

    I said nothing about health issues, I didn’t even say a woman…I said SOMEONE. If you use HRC charade of story she stated “I will always remember the single mom who had adopted two kids with autism, DIDN”T have health insurance and DISCOVERED she had cancer…”

    Also lets see your opinion on the second question I asked that again you did not answer:
    “Let me also ask UFL, seeing by this question you are obviously pro-choice. Do you believe that if the woman chooses to have an abortion, and it is botched and the baby is born alive, do you believe the womans original choice to have the baby killed is still the choice to go with or should the doctor(s) live by their Hippocratic Oath and “do no harm” and allow the baby to live?”

    And again to answer your question…yes I am against corporate welfare, I believe that Bear/sterns should have failed for it’s horrible business model and practices. I too believe that Fanny-Mae and Freddy Mac should have not been helped. They over extended their loans to people who could not pay, what did they expect to happen (I also blame those that got home loans equally, because they should understand what they are signing, because I don’t believe a gun was held to anyones head to make a decision)….I sincerely believe in a capitalist, free-market economy to where it will general regulate itself. If you prices are to high people will go else where, competition will drive and set fair prices. I disagree with the liberal stance of taking away my hard earned American dream, just because someone else happened to have a nightmare.(redistribution of wealth). Do you think everyone in life should be given everything? Don’t you think a little hard work and effort makes you feel like you accomplished something when you reach your goal, instead of having someone hand it to you? Do you think all should be fair in everything? I bet you believe that test scores should be done away with children, because some pass and some fail, not everyone will succeed there UFL. If you give them everything the want where is that drive to do better? Where is the will to push through the tough times? Where the knowledge to learn from past failures? Why do you liberals wish to kill the American Dream for everyone.

    Again I eagerly await your response with baited-breath….

  63. Democrats, whether or true Christians don’t let financial realities stop them from helping people in real need. There is no requirement to be wealthy to adopt. This woman adopted the children before being diagnosed with cancer if you read what Hillary said. She did not have health insurance to cover cancer. The reich is saying this woman would never have been vetted by adoption agencies. Then how is it that many gay couples have been allowed to adopt? The latter often adopt children with HIV, or have severe disabilities like autism. The woman probably isn’t a Republican; if she could help, she was going to.

    Hillary has long been an advocate for autistic children and even gave a speech in Sioux City during the primary advocating many programs for families affected.

    http://www.hillaryclinton.com/.....w/?id=4342

  64. Good point Grant! As for Hydes I will answer your original question just so you quit your whining. No I don’t think ANYONE who cannot take care of themselves or have been diagnosed with a life threating condition should be able to adopt a child. There, does that make you happy?

    As for redistribution of the wealth in this country, boy you just don’t f**king get it do you? Here take the time out of living your American dream and watch this video. All Americans who are low and middle income should be angry as hell about our tax system.

    http://www.pbs.org/moyers/jour.....ofile.html

    Hydes, you probably will disagree with me on this but I believe the federal income tax is a fraud and if anything should be lowered while any financial gain, capital gains, etc, acquired without any labor should be taxed more then the taxes of ones hard earned wages.

    The tax system is rigged to help the rich, whether you want to believe it or not. Don’t be so f**king blind. Your arguements only hurt your best interests while allowing the rich to continue to keep their riches while 85% of the rest of us have to struggle. Geeeeez….get a f**king clue!

  65. As a matter of fact, everyone, not just Hydes should view this interview with Bill Moyers and David Cay Johnstone about our tax system and how it takes from the poor and middleclass and gives to the rich and how the government and the rich try to confuse or distract us from the truth so they can keep on fleecing the average American. We ahould all be pissed off. Republican, Democrat, conservative, progressive, right and left.

    http://www.pbs.org/moyers/jour.....watch.html

  66. To learn more about the sickening reality of our tax system purchase David Cay Johnstons book “Free Lunch” Be prepared to be educated and very, very angry!

  67. Fester @ 67

    I cannot remember this guys name but I heard him on Air America.

    That certainly makes your information reliable then doesn’t it? We will all accept your word on this. LOL!

    Our countries unemployment numbers are being manipulated, true numbers if given would show unemployment to be between 9-12%.

    Any proof to that? An OMB link? A govt link? No, you just pulled that out of your ass.

    Fester @ 69

    All they have to due is hack voting machines in various key counties.

    which key democratic counties in Ohio had their Diebold machines hacked then? Answer quickly, since any delay means that you don’t know and had to spend time looking up the answer.

    Fester @ 78

    Bill Moyers and David Cay Johnstone

    Like they’re going to be independent and not biased? Moyers is a commie and Johnston (no “e” dumbass) writes for the New York Times.

    Fester you would never accept the above responses from anyone trying to convince you of anything. Why should anyone accept shit you blow out of your ass as gospel?

    Dumbass.

    to clif:

    homeschoolin’ showin’ again son..

    Was it the fact Dad kept hittin’n ya son, or the interruptions so Mom could service the truckers which gave you such outstanding spelling skills son?

  68. I do have one question my Xenian friend;

    Did you get these insights from Operating Thetan level III or ur anus

  69. Just heard Michael Murphy, former McCain and Romney strategist talk about Obama’s “Roman temple” in Denver on Morning Joe at 8:33 a.m. August 29.

  70. For out troll at #80, Bill Moyers is Hugo (5000 population), Oklahoma born, received a Bachelor of Divinity degree from Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth and became an ordained Southern Baptist minister. Sounds like a “commie” to me!!! ;)

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