Here are a few thoughts I’m having:
Was there a Musharraf mole placed near Bhutto as protection and this is why he was able to get so close to her to assassinate her?
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Why did George Bush have the same look on his face like he did the morning of 9/11? Did he know she was going to be assassinated (like he knew 9/11 was going to happen) and was trying to appear like he didn’t know?
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Bhutto stated recently that she was going to go after Osama and others if she was elected in January? Was this why she was killed, because George Bush, Dick Cheney, the whole Bush family, and Musharraf want to continue to protect Osama and al-Qaida, because he’s needed as the face of terrorism and all roads forward can’t be waged without him and his group?
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Do you agree it seems likely that Reagan, Bush Sr., and the current crop of criminals in the White House have always banded themselves with al-Qaida and use this group to get what they want when they’re in power? I find it strange still to this day that al-Qaida had been around since the 1970’s and Reagan/Bush Sr. did nothing to stop this group, but yet, when Bush Sr. lost his reelection to Clinton in 1993, al-Qaida attacked the WTC thirty days after Clinton took office. Connection? I think so. It’s not lost on me either that George W. Bush and his Band of Thugs ignored the warnings that al-Qaida was going to attack our nation. They allowed the attack to happen and have spent many years protecting Osama…even if he’s dead…because if you need to keep the fear going you have to keep the Boogeyman alive!
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How will this assassination effect Pakistan and the region? It appears that BEFORE Bhutto’s assassination, the Pentagon was planning on beefing up our forces into Pakistan. Getting ready for something?
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Al-Qaida is claiming today that they’re the ones who assassinated Bhutto? If they are indeed the perpetrators, wouldn’t that mean our CIA and the Bush Regime was involved?
What are your thoughts?
Hat-tip to Ox for sending me the following video of Bhutto from November of this year:
I asked the Reagan/Bush Sr./al-Qaida connection question over at FDL this morning and here is one response that I thought you’d like to read:
http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/28/the-scene-of-the-crime/#comment-1168632
Nice attempt at spinning the woman’s death into a method of furthering your anti-Republican agenda
Really, very well done. Sadly for your cause there are plenty of violent people who are not connected to US in any way and Bhutto managed to piss off just about every one of that was anywhere near Pakistan.
But hey, no worries! Most of the readers here are firmly in your camp anyway, and most of the detractors are just about as diligently ignorant as you make them out to be.
I don’t know who assassinated her, we probably will never know. To speculate is just a waste of time as Bhutto was no saint as the MSM likes to portray, she was corrupt and stole millions of dollars from her people.
As for the MSM saying her death will help out certain candidates…BULLSHIT! We Americans are more worried about the economy, healthcare, the Iraq war, this is just another distraction from the problems we face here at home.
Jonolan, what do you imagine we’d be talking about today had, five years ago, we’d stayed the course in Afghanistan instead of pulling out troops and money to go traipsing off into Iraq? That’s something every American should be thoroughly pissed off about. What baffles me is why it’s not the people who supported Bush who are calling for his impeachment. He betrayed the whole nation’s trust, but especially yours.
Kay, IrritatedVet has written a good piece on this with some great links:
http://irritatedvet.blogspot.com/
I don’t know if the CIA or the President Cheney and his mouthpiece have anything to do with this. At this point, I’ve seen so many things transpire that I never would have believed a decade ago that I’m pretty much jaded. I can believe just about anything now. But amid all the speculation, there are some things that definitely can be accounted to the Cheney/Connecticut Cowboy administration that have, at the very least aided this situation in Pakistan into being, and they all start with what we DIDN’T do in Afghanistan. That was where we were betrayed — Afghanistan. Hey, the soldiers there know it. Why doesn’t the American public know it?
At any rate, even if we were to send troops to Pakistan now — which we don’t have enough of to do — the Cheney policy on Afghanistan, (leave 18,000 troops there to patrol a huge country, give them no clear objective as to what the hell they are supposed to do there and not enough troops and equipment to do it even if they knew what to do, and get the rest of the troops bogged down in another country), has left AQ in Pakistan a huge back door to run in and out of. That backdoor is called Afghanistan.
BTW, expect a draft very soon. At least maybe we’ll get to give those smirky college Republicans a taste of this shit. I say put them on the frontline.
My only thought is who had the most to gain with a hidden agenda to finance this murder.
Thanks for the link, Kay. An interesting explanation by cinnamonape to your comment.
I might’ve overlooked it but I don’t think there was any explanation by anyone about how Charlie Wilson funded the training of what was to become Al Qaeda with our $$$. Yes, there’s a new movie out about all that but I remember what Charlie was doing when he did it, unlike most people today who will go see the movie and believe it all as if it were gospel truth. I haven’t seen the movie but I’ll guess that there’s LOTS that didn’t make the cut.
Kay, check your spam filter. I think I have another post in there.
How many of you saw this in the Huff-post? This is exactly my take on the little general from Crawford:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/the-most-inappropriate-bu_b_78357.html
Here’s a sign of the times:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=a9eBP4ZM28G8&refer=home
What do I think of the murder of Benizar Bhutto, by elements in pakistan who obviously were given close access to her, after she asked Musharraf for MORE security?
Well along the same lines I think of the cover ups perpetrated about the murders of JFK, RFK, and MLK. all three threatened the powers that be in the US during the 1960’s and had to be eliminated, JFK because he began to counter the conventional wisdom on both Vietnam and the federal reserve, RFK because if he ever got to the white house the truth of his brothers murder would be very hard to keep hidden, and MLK because he upset way too many apple carts in the south and north with his shoving Jesus Christs message in the face of many bigots in America at that time and was successful in changing many minds which scared many who didn’t want change.
Benizar Bhutto threatened two of the main power groups in Pakistan, al quada who hated her for her 21st century ideals of equality for women, and a much more secular approach to government, (sort of like the antithesis of the reich wing psuedo-christains here) and Musharraf, along with the Army, who had faced quite a large sect of Pakistan including the judiciary which sided with Bhutto, and her assent would end with Musharraf’s fall. The military had a large contingent which ideologically sided with al quada and the Taliban, which allowed both to work towards the same goal of stopping her getting access to power and changing the course of Pakistan from their path.
Thus it might have been an al quada member who pulled the trigger and exploded the bomb, but he had help from military and ISI members who want the very same thing as the Taliban and al quada. the truth of her murder will be no more forth coming then the murders of JFK, RFK, and MLK ever were, but scape goats will be found to pass the buck like Arlen Spector found the magic bullet theory…….
Both wanted her gone
Jonolan agrees with George Bush, Musharraf, & Dick Cheney: OSAMA MUST BE HARBORED, PROTECTED, AND TAKEN CARE OF.
Bhutto did not agree with them.
What do you have to say about that? Why would a president who was in control of our country on 9/11 tell his CIA to stop looking for Osama? Huh?
Kay,
No. You’re wrong there. I believe that Osama needed to be killed and any nation harboring him having their major cities nuked. I’m not happy with Bush either; he’s too piss-ant weak for my tastes.
I was just commenting on how you managed to spin Bhutto’s assassination into an anti-republican message. Frankly, I have no greater liking for capitalizing on Bhutto’s death by you, by our Government, or by the media than I did for Ahmadinejad trying to use Ground Zero for a propaganda picture. But hey, it’s your blog s your rules – and I’m very much the minority here.
UFL, she may have been corrupt, but so isn’t George W. Bush & his Regime. Interesting that the ROM (republican owned media) is going after her for this when Georgie and his men are pilfering America dry on all fronts!
Gage, thanks for the links as always.
The draft would wake America up for sure and wouldn’t it be nice to see the loudmouthed neocons hemming & hollering because they have to go over there! Bah hahahaha! Oh man. I’d love to see that. Of course, it will be the neocons who will be the first to picket the Bush Regime about the draft. Chickenhawkyellowphants.
Ox, it appears that everything over the last seven years has benefited the Bush Regime. There have been no mistakes made by them because it’s all been intentional.
Randy, thank you for the insight about Charlie Wilson! I’m not surprised that some of the history has been cut out of the movie. Every movie/documentary always reflects the person who created it for the most part.
Tom, I totally agree with everything you wrote! Exactly.
Jonolan, the fact that you can’t relate this assassination to the Bush Regime is frightening to me, but at the same time, I can see where some wouldn’t want to.
The Bush family has had a long relationship with Middle Eastern people, some of which have been the bin Ladens and the Saudi Royals. It wouldn’t surprise me if there are Iranian connections too in there, especially knowing, it was Bush Sr./Reagan who were dealing arms to Iran years ago!
My point is: We currently have people occupying the White House who live, breath, and act in another dimension outside the boundaries of the United States.
Musharraf is today’s 1980’s Saddam Hussein who is harboring America’s #1 enemy (Osama, of course) but is shaking hands with the Bush Regime to make it look like he’s a good guy. Musharraf is not a good guy! Hell, if he’s going to blow anyone up, why not al-Qaida or the Taliban? Oh that’s right! He doesn’t want to and neither does George Bush & Dick Cheney. We’re in Iraq for the oil and al-Qaida WAS NOT in Iraq prior to these assholes invading the country for crying out loud!
Ahmadinejad = President of Iran, you know, a man who has no real power and is just a figure head for the nation.
When 9/11 happened, which country over there was the first to offer help in killing & capturing the terrorists? Oh that’s right, Iran. And who went on the Axis of Evil right after that because George Bush & Dick Cheney have huge egos? Oh that’s right, Iran. Who wanted to get into Iraq in the 1990’s badly to capture the oil and to use this country as the central front on the Middle East to continue to capture the oil in the region? Oh that’s right, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Jeb Bush, Paul Bremer, and others who were part of the Project for the New American Century, you know, a reich wing think tank.
You’ve been duped. We are living everyday for the past seven years in a RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY. Yes we are! The Bush Regime is living out their dreams right in front of our eyes!
The mystery deepens, as just viewed a webpage with a video taken by a reporter and Bhutto went down after several shots were fired – before – the explosion went off.
That’s how I was picturing it too, Ox. When she got hit by the bullets, she fell into the truck (she could have banged her head on the way down but this wouldn’thave killed her).
Unfreakingbelievable the white noise of propaganda the reich wingers of our planet will resort to!
I posted the link to the one you sent me in the comment section on the above post on Bhutto. Thanks so much for sending it to me!
Kay,
Pakistan isn’t a nation in any real sense of the word. It’s a collection of semi-autonomous regions with very incomplete central control. If Bin laden is within it’s titular borders, he’s not in any ares controlled by Musharraf. Personally, I expect the Bin Laden died some time ago – peacefully from kidney failure; he’s been on dialysis for years.
As for Bhutto’s corruption, that’s pretty much proven – but who should really care? She wasn’t killed because of it.
As for the draft, we can’t use it. Our military now requires too much training to benefit from conscripts. You’re all right though – it would be good for America if military service was required. Politicians would make more prudent choices. Sadly it just won’t work.
BTW – Since variants of “chickenhawk” have been used in this thread I’ll include personal details I don’t usually post so as to avoid being completely dismissed: I lost my father to Viet Nam and I myself have bled on three continents while serving in the US military.
Jonolan,
Musharraf gave Osama an ultimatum a year or so ago. He said if Osama was nice, he’d leave him alone…free to live out his life. What does that tell you? Come on! He does have control, because if he didn’t, Martial Law wouldn’t work. See?
Our nation has fought many wars without TRAINING. If you can hold a gun and aim it at your target, you can fight in a war. See? The neocons in America who have beat their chests over Iraq for years now will have to serve if the draft is imposed.
A chickenhawk is one who loves Georgie’s war(s) and all wars, but refuses to sign up and go fight it. If you are telling us the truth that you were in our Armed Services, have shed your blood all over the planet for our country, and your father died in Vietnam, then neither of you are considered chickenhawks. Okay?
What wars were you in, Jonolan?
Randy, the 78 year old “born-again Christian” Joanne Herring in the movie Charlie Wilson’s War is having a grand old time in Houston going from one party to another. However, she did hire top Houston attorney Dick DeGuerin (represented David Koresh of the Waco cult) to change the movie script or else! DeGuerin wrote a letter to the folks responsible in Hollywood and said Herring didn’t curse or jump in-and-out of men’s beds as was in the original script. Bottom line, they’d best change the script. Herring is also a life-long friend of James A. Baker III, Sec. of State in the Bush 41 White House so Hollywood folded and changed some parts of the script.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5377325.html
The thrice married Republican, Joanne Johnson King Herring Davis is so happy to have Julia Roberts playing her. She was also a “girl friend of Rep. Charlie Wilson between Herring and Davis. She now goes by the names of husband #2, Robert Herring. Pictures linked below of the 78 year old Herring shows what a lot of money spent on plastic surgery can do:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/c/a/2007/12/16/PKKMTM4JF.DTL&o=0
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2007/12/12/2007-12-12_socialite_joanne_herring_wins_war.html
Joanne Herring wanted her new home built by Robert King in the 50’s to look like a mini-Versailles so it is overdone with gilt paint. She once threw a party for Prince Ranier and Princess Grace Kelly at that home. I am sure the Prince could tell from garish! She even hired black Boy Scouts back then to go into costume and play Nubian slaves pouring alcoholic drinks at one of her lavish parties with a Roman Orgy theme complete with a slave auction! The home that was recreated in the movie has been on the market here for $3.5 million and not selling, maybe because it is too garish, probably will sell as a “tear down”. Joanne Johnson was a girl who married well playing on her feminine wiles and beauty.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/12/16/PKKMTM4JF.DTL
http://www.encyclocentral.com/16984-Joanne_Herring_Houston_Socialite_Businesswoman_.html
I don’t get the benefit of declared wars, Kay. I’m ex SpecOps and did the dirty “peace time” work of protecting the US and enforcing our mandates – I fought in Central America, South America and Africa
After I left the service I went to work for a company similar in many respects to Haliburton – a commercial arm of the State Department. I was in Saudi, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Egypt, and Yemen because of that. The bright side was I also got to go to South Africa just after Mandela took over!
I have to say that the US can no longer fight wars with untrained troops. It’s now takes close to two years to train them to the point where they’re not a danger to themselves or their team. Our tech is just too advanced now.
Oh gawd, Jonolan. You weren’t part of the American backed death squads in the 1980’s under Reagan/Bush Sr. were ya? Eeeeek!
I understand that we need trained soldiers for flying our fighter planes etc., but on the ground is a different story. If a draft is called for more boots on the ground, advanced/highly skilled training is not going to be an issue, right? It’s not like our military will send 2,000 drafted soldiers into an area and say, “Go for it”. They’ll be trained soldiers amongst them.
Of course, I don’t want a new war and I certainly am bullshit we have troops on the ground in Iraq and in Afghanistan. It’s ludicrous! It’s time for our soldiers to come home to protect our nation and not be used by the higher ups as pawns in their game.
If you want to describe my teammates as a “death squad”, so be it. I was our sniper, so what shall you call me? Be creative, please.
On the ground is NOT a different a story! Our equipment and tactics no longer lend themselves to the conscript soldiers.
On Iraq – I’m utterly against pulling out of Iraq! We might be able to reduce our troop commitment, but we have to stay there for quite a while. To use rhetoric I think you’d understand: we broke it, we need to fix it. That IS going to take a shift in paradigm though.
On Afghanistan – That’s where we should have stayed in the first place – there AND Pakistan. Our immediate enemies are / were there and we should have done whatever was necessary to kill them all.
Jonolan, BULLSHIT total bullshit, I served in the Army in the 1970’s and 1980’s as both a combat engineer, and EOD officer, and MOST military MOS’s take 6-9 months to train, and most “conscripts” could do as well as the economic conscripts the recruiters get out of the poorer classes they usually go to to recruit from, a “draft” would draw from all classes the richer better educated which means a better class then the 15-25% class V recruits we now have coming into the Army to fill the ranks because so many gutless chicken hawks of this generation want others to fight for them like George bush got his daddy’s friends to hide him out in the texas national Guard, (including a direct appiontment to second lieutenant, instead of him having to suffer through OCS, or ROTC, and dick Cheney asking for FIVE deferments so he could get 2 DUI’s while others served in vietnam for him, or the other gutless chicken hawks of their generation;
* Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-KY – did not serve (1)
* Senate Assistant Minority Leader Trent Lott, R-MI – avoided the draft, did not serve.
* Senate Republican Conference Chairman Jon Kyl, R-AZ – did not serve.
* National Republican Senatorial Committee Chair John Ensign, R-NV – did not serve.
* House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-OH – did not serve.
* House Minority Whip Roy Blunt, R-MO – did not serve.
* House Republican Conerence Chair Adam Putnam, R-FL – did not serve.
* House Republican Policy Committee Thaddeus McCotter, R-MI – did not serve.
* National Republican Congressional Committee Chair Tom Cole, R-OK – did not serve.
* Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani – did not serve.
* Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney – did not serve in the military but did serve the Mormon Church on a 30-month mission to France.
* Former Senator Fred Thompson – did not serve.
* Senator John McCain – McCain’s naval honors include the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. Why did the Bush campaign smear him so in 2000? At least Senators Cleland (D-GA), Kerry (D-MA), Kerrey (D-NE), Robb (D-VA) and Hagel (R-NE) defended him.
* Former Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert – avoided the draft, did not serve.
* Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey – avoided the draft, did not serve.
* Former House Majority Leader Tom Delay – avoided the draft, did not serve (1). “So many minority youths had volunteered … that there was literally no room for patriotic folks like himself.”
* Former House Majority Whip Roy Blunt – did not serve
* Former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist – did not serve. (An impressive medical resume, but not such a friend to cats in Boston.)
* Rick Santorum, R-PA, formerly third ranking Republican in the Senate – did not serve. (1)
* George Felix Allen, former Republican Senator from Virginia – a supporter of Nixon and the Vietnam war, did not serve. (1)
* Secretary of Defense Don Rumsfeld – served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as an aviator and flight instructor. (1) Served as President Reagan’s Special Envoy to the Middle East and met with Saddam Hussein twice in 1983 and 1984.
* GW Bush – decided that a six-year Nat’l Guard commitment really means four years. Still says that he’s “been to war.” Huh?
* VP Cheney – several deferments (1, 2), the last by marriage (in his own words, “had other priorities than military service”) (1)
* Former Att’y Gen. John Ashcroft – did not serve (1, 2); received seven deferment to teach business ed at SW Missouri State
* Jeb Bush, Florida Governor – did not serve. (1)
* Karl Rove – avoided the draft, did not serve (1), too busy being a Republican.
* Former Speaker Newt Gingrich – avoided the draft, did not serve (1, 2)
* Former President Ronald Reagan – due to poor eyesight, served in a noncombat role making movies for the Army in southern California during WWII. He later seems to have confused his role as an actor playing a tail gunner with the real thing.
* “B-1″ Bob Dornan – avoided Korean War combat duty by enrolling in college acting classes (Orange County Weekly article). Enlisted only after the fighting was over in Korea.
* Phil Gramm – avoided the draft, did not serve, four (?) student deferments
link here;
http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html
Or some of the current crop of gutless reichwingers like these clowns;
http://www.vimeo.com/244640
Whether you did all you claim or not, I could care less, but quit LYING about what it takes to be trained and serve in the US military.
It is demeaning to those who actually are serving at this time.
Grant, thanks for the background on Joanne Herring. I don’t think I knew about all the garish details of her private life. It goes to show you doesn’t it, that if she can get “script approval” so as to portray herself in the best light, many of the other major players probably had undue influence on the writer and screenwriter as well. We’ll probably never really know the full extent of Reagan and Bush’s involvement in it all. I’m sure they were “out of the loop” or some such nonsense. Ha.
Speaking of Prince Ranier and Grace Kelly, I’m told that back in the heydey when Grace and the Prince were getting married, some of the Philadelphia Main Line elite had a whispering campaign about Grace’s father: “He’s in trade!” (Her father owned a brick-building supply company.) Class is a relative concept I suppose. Personally, I always loved Grace Kelly.
Jonolan, thank you for your service! (Gawd, I hate hearing the KKKonservatives say that on TV.) Your pResident fucked up Iraq. He and his mother and the rest of his ignorant rich white trash family should be over there rebuilding Iraq with their bare hands. Literally. Brick by brick.
Jonolan, after boot camp, my nephew trained from August to October in the desert in California before deploying. That’s not two years. Besides they need plenty of pogues and staffers to move shit around over there. The college republicans can do that. Better open the draft tomorrow. Times a’wastin.
One thing that really troubles me about what you’re saying is, if in fact we need a minimum of two years to train combat troops for Iraq, doesn’t that mean we’re already screwed over there since some of the troops are on their fifth rotations? What are we going to do with the others, just stop-loss them til they die of old age?
One other word to Jonolan:
If you served in Afghanistan or Iraq, I’m not going to argue with you other than to say that I believe you’re wrong about Iraq. I think we CAN leave. There are going to be thousands of people killed if we leave and there are going to be thousands of people killed if we stay. Al-Sadr’s army is going to be there if we leave and it’s going to be there if we stay. The Iraqis are going to take control of their own country in some way or another if we leave, but if we stay…?
The only thing noteworthy about that philosophy for staying, we broke it so we own it, is that it was the best reason not to go in the first place. Afghanistan was the war we authorized.
Also, military personnel have an obligation to do what they’re ordered to do or the military won’t work. On the other hand, civilians have an obligation too — to be self-determining. The majority don’t have an inkling and don’t care what are the duties of a self-determining People. If you performed your duties the way the average American performs his, you’d get a court-martial.
It’s not lost on me that under the command of George W. Bush and his Generals, our troops have not been able to stabilize Iraq…especially the one city of Baghdad. But hey! It’s not our troops fault. They’re trained and they know what to do. The problem is with the leadership who doesn’t give a damn about stabilizing anything over there. The surge is working? Well, if it is, then that means more US troop presence has made Blackwater behave and it also means it’s time to bring our troops home, oh, but that will never happen because Georgie & Dickie’s dream has been to be in Iraq forevah….just like Korea! Spit.
WHEN we leave Iraq, yes I said when, it is only a matter of time before the jig is up there, then and only then can they do what the Vietnamese did after 1975, rebuild their country from decades of oppression and occupation by western powers.
Just because the gutless neo-cons from Reagan to Bush 43 screwed it up doesn’t mean the stupid assholes who violated international law and LIED to the American people can fix the fiasco they created there.
Only the Iraqi people really know what is bets for them, you haven’t a clue to what they need any more then you knew that the people YOU murdered while in the pay of the US government were really the bad guys, just because a bunch of right wing LIARS say so doesn’t mean it is so.
Gage,
Yes we’re already screwed. There having to dramatically shorten a lot of the training programs already, mostly non-commissioned officer and junior officer training. The latter truly scares me. It IS possible to provide infantry enlisted men in a reasonable time, but the junior officers need as much time in training as possible if we don’t want a repeat of many of the Nam fiascoes.
I’d like to see a shift in ou paradigm in Iraq with a reduction in troop commitment. I’d prefer to see us securing and rebuilding key infrastructure, securing their borders, and training Iraqi troops. I’d like to see us get out of the business of being the primary response force to insurgents.
A much simpler approach, GET THE HELL OUT and allow the Iraqis to rebuild their country we destroyed.
Staying years after the TET offensive in Vietnam didn’t change the out come one bit, neither did preventing a democratic election in 1956, stop the Ho Chi Minh party from capturing the entire country in the end, especially when he had support of around 90% of the populace since he stayed and fought the Japanese and French colonialists, while the US’s puppet Diem ran and hid in New Jersey.
Neither could the Soviets ever resolve the quagmire they created in Afghanistan by their puppet government even their ill advised invasion in 1980 which lasted 8 years couldn’t get them what the wanted. (Of course they could have studied the British failed attempts fought 1839–42, 1878–80, and lastly in 1919, and realized that forcing the Afghanis to submit was a fools errand). As much a fools errand as our ill advised to force our will on the Vietnamese after the Japanese and French had failed.
The neo-cons who took on Iraq lack a historical and strategic perspective about Iraq, because the British could tell the neo-cons thought Churchill though attempting to force the Iraqis to submit to foreign occupation was also a fools errand. After all he tried in vain from 1919 to 1932 to subdue that country.
Seems you want the US to continue to make the mistakes Churchill made until he realized how futile it was. Any puppet government backed by the US, and Maliki is a US puppet, Former United States Ambassador to Iraq, Zalmay Khalilzad blocked Ibrahim al-Jaafariin early 2006, cretainly on orders from bush and Cheney.
Sorry but as long as people like YOU think we can stay in an Arab country and play king maker like we did in Iran in 1953, by over throwing a democratically elected government, and the Arabs are going to stand for it in 2007 your sadly delusional.