Paul Tibbetts died a coward today at the age of 92…

Posted on | November 1, 2007 | 365 Comments

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Yep, the first man to drop an atomic bomb on innocent people died today. I spit on him.

This man, Paul Tibbetts,…

Piloted this…

And dropped this on Hiroshima, Japan…

Causing this, other horrors, and thousands of instantaneous deaths…

Oh yeah, and here he is with the Senior President of the NRA in 2004…can’t forget that little tidbit…

Paul Tibbetts did not die a hero to America. I’m sorry, but it does not take a brave person to strap a bomb to a plane, fly high above a sleeping city, and then drop an atomic bomb on it! Only a coward could be proud of himself after doing something like that. You can argue that he was taking commands from his higher ups. That would be one thing…if he felt a shred of compassion as to what this one act on humanity did. Nope. All we got to hear over the years is ‘people were going to die anyways’, so dropping a bomb on this city killing 80-150,000 at once was the only way to save America. Oh please! Coward!

Not only was a he a typical reich winger throughout his life, meaning he had zero compassion for the people of our planet, but he managed to be the typical reich winger upon his death by being a coward. Why? He told his loved ones that he didn’t want a stone or a marker for his grave. Why? Well, apparently this “big brave reich winger” didn’t want Americans to stand around his grave protesting what he had done in WWII! Wow! If you’re a big brave hero who saved America, wouldn’t you think that you would want Americans TO USE THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS THAT YA FOUGHT FOR IN WORLD WAR II for the opportunity to dissent against your own barbarianism? Nope! Typical reich wing coward ole Tibbetts was.

Not surprised. Rest in peace if you can Paul! Spit. Good riddance.

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365 Responses to “Paul Tibbetts died a coward today at the age of 92…”

Bombiran
November 1st, 2007 @ 8:43 pm

You are pathetically sick. I suppose you would rather have had over 1 million Japanese dead and over 500,000 dead American soldiers because that is what the outcome would have been with the planned japan invasion had the bomb not been used. And by the way you cowardly, uneducated bitch, it was a democrat president, Harry Truman, who ordered the drop not once but twice. Paul Tibbetts is a hero. He followed his orders like a soldier should from his superior.

You’re sick and diseased and do not deserve to live in this country.
kayinmaine
November 1st, 2007 @ 8:49 pm

I don’t care if it was a democratic president at the helm, moron. DROPPING A NUCLEAR BOMB ON SLEEPING PEOPLE (MOSTLY INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT WEARING MILITARY UNIFORMS!)…..IS NOT BRAVE AND IS COWARDLY.

How do you know a million people WOULD have been killed? Huh? No one knows that!

I bet if our enemies dropped a nuclear bomb on the US you would be pissed, huh? Why? I thought you said in the ‘waronterra’ that anything goes and dropping bombs like this is better than anything!

Dumbass.

War is wrong. Period.
kayinmaine
November 1st, 2007 @ 8:50 pm

Bombiran, why aren’t you serving in the military so you can bomb iran? Huh? Coward? Yep.
kayinmaine
November 1st, 2007 @ 8:52 pm

It’s all propaganda in war, Bombiran, and you fall for it every time! I bet you believe al-Qaida lives somewhere on your property because Bush says they do. Just like Truman said that we had to drop the bomb on them because a million people were going to die (gotta add, “Mostly Americans too!” *rolling eyes*)….JUST TO KEEP THE FEAR GOING AND AMERICANS STUPID!
Bombiran
November 1st, 2007 @ 8:57 pm

I PISS ON YOU YOU MORON!!! You are without a doubt THE MOST STUPID, brain diseased fuckup I have ever seen. Don’t worry about banning me you fucked-up animal, you make me sick. I won’t be back. If I were in your presence I would vomit in your face and piss on you! Burn bitch!
exMIL
November 1st, 2007 @ 8:59 pm

just another of several posts from the hater of the military in Maine.

You claim to have cousins, nephews, currently serving in the Middle East? ARE THEY REICH WINGERS? I spit on them.

I spit on your army dad. He’s a Reich Winger. I spit on your Air Force brother. He’s a Reich Winger too.

You’re a hater of the military, the men and women who serve and who served in the past.

you should join up with the Westboro Baptist church. They’re the ones who protest outside of the funerals of soldiers killed in action. You’d fit right in with them.

I spit on you too.

You’re sick. You know that, right, that you’re sick? You need mental help.

You’re the single most vile, disrespecting blogger I’ve ever stumbled across. I suppose you’re proud of that. Just another indictation you need mental help.

You’re the Ann Coulter equivalent of the lunatic left.

Do you have a source for the information that Tibbetts was a “reich winger”?

Tibbetts was an America hero. Something you will never be.

Edited by Kay:

But dropping an atomic bomb on sleeping innocent people that kills 150,000 at once is the same as patting a baby kitten in your eyes? Wake up asshole! You won’t be thinking this way if nukes are dropped on America…especially if they’re dropped by your own crazy assed warmongering government to blame Iran! Or try another country dropping one on us because they hate us or think your crazy eyed president and vice president must be stopped. I bet you’d hate a nuclear blast then, huh? Oh, but it’s okay to you if America does it to another country.

We attacked Iraq when it had no REAL military to defend itself. Was that brave? Nope. Was that heroic? Nope. Hell, Bush hasn’t even turned the lights on in that country! He could care less about those brown people, huh?!!!

A hero is not a coward. The End.
E.B. Juan
November 1st, 2007 @ 9:04 pm

At the time, Kay, Tibbets was merely following orders. He had no idea of the vastness of the destruction his plane was carrying. It was all Top Secret.

I don’t care to listen to your uninformed shrill protests, but I am in position to know from where I speak, and for you to choose Tibbetts to demonize at this time is just pure foolishness.

Tibbetts is not a hero, but I suspect he protected his sanity by trying to reason and justify what he (and NOT just him but the government) did.

Oh, and do remember that it WAS a DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT who gave the order. Remember Truman?

Do you understand that there are Lines that should not be crossed? Yet you cross them and revel in your misbehavior. Good God, Girl, you have no sense of decency.
helanren
November 1st, 2007 @ 9:10 pm

People never think about this kind of stuff. They just look at the A-Bomb and judge it, without even looking into the background information. Japan was perhaps even worse than Nazi Germany during that time and an invision with marines could have meant the loss of thousands of American lives. I don’t think it’s up to the defender to just risk that if you can end the war early, even though it’s in such a radical way. But I guess you’d rather have had a WW2 that laster till like 1950 with millions of Japanese deaths, hundreds of thousands of US deaths and the utter destruction of Japan as a whole.

I suggest you look into the matter, just check out some info about Japanese war atrocities such as The Rape of Nanjing. Let’s see if you still feel the same about The Bomb.
kayinmaine
November 1st, 2007 @ 9:15 pm

Oh okay, Tibbetts after he dropped the bomb had no idea what the bomb had done. And then he went another 60 years and never read one report of the destruction he caused. Oh please! Coward. He loved what he did that day whether he was commanded to do it or not.

And Helanren? I don’t like torture, raping, bombing, poisoning, and killing. Get it? The fact that you do is absurd! Maybe you warmongering hateful assholes should go live in Iraq where al-Qaida lives. They’d love having you all on board!

You’re the morons, not me.
kayinmaine
November 1st, 2007 @ 9:17 pm

And what did Einstein say when he realized what he had created? Oh that’s right! He didn’t want the Americans to have this technology! He wasn’t too pleased with his connection to it, now was he?

There is no compassion in the reich wing whether it’s in Germany during WWII or in America’s reich wing Nazi Taliban party, huh Bush Supporters?
kayinmaine
November 1st, 2007 @ 9:18 pm

According to the trolls, if another country views Bush as the 21st Century Hitler, because of his illegal invasions and bombings of innocent people, the trolls believe it would be okay to drop nuclear bombs on America to stop the killing, because there might be another 1 million people killed, so killing a couple hundred thousand on American soil to stop the madness is fine!

Dumbasses.

And by the way….every post on here is a reflection of my opinion. If you don’t like it, leave!
Bombiran
November 1st, 2007 @ 9:24 pm

C U N T

That’s a reflection of my opinion of you.

You know what happens to cunts? They get cancer.

Edited by Kay:

Cunts get cancer? Got a link to prove your “truth”, troll? I bet you don’t! Bah hahahahaha!
lostinmaine
November 1st, 2007 @ 9:26 pm

you’re awful. . . you have no respect for anything or anybody. . . including yourself. . .

The thing that a fool loves most,is the sound of their own voice.

yep. . . the end
ExMIL
November 1st, 2007 @ 9:28 pm

Your lack of complete disrespect and decency of Tibbetts has nothing to do with Bush or anything else in your follow up comments.

Since you cant defend your positions, or even respond to the criticism you try to change the topic. you are deranged.

Still unable to list any objective sources that Tibbetts was a reich winger, eh? not surprising.

Are your cousins that allegedly serve in the middle east aware of your hatred of the military? how about your dad? your brother? do you spit on them? do they even exist, or do you use them as a fallback when you decide to trash the military?

your response to helanren proves beyond any doubt you know nothing about The Rape of Nanjing. you’re not very educated are you? just spewing hate. join up with the folks in Westboro. you’re just like them. maybe you can teach them a few things about hating the military that they don’t know.
E.B. Juan
November 1st, 2007 @ 9:28 pm

Tibbetts didn’t LOVE what he did. Where on earth do you get that idea? And it was many years before any of us were made aware of the devastation of the two bombings. After all, Kay, it was just like what we are going through now. The Media lied to us then, just like they are now. Why are you condemning a man who did his job, just like your relatives are? Can you explain?

Maybe YOU love destroying things, it seems evident in the way you attack innocent people who make comments here. But many of us have gotten wise to your crap, and someday SOON you will be posting to blank walls and blank minds.

I have bought front row tickets and a bag of popcorn. Looking forward to the “Death of WNI” online production.

And to the sad sacks who think this is a sanctuary from AmericaBlog, oh please, spare me the melodrama. Get a life.
kayinmaine
November 1st, 2007 @ 9:34 pm

Tibbetts didn’t love what he did? Read the article, morons! Jees.

He dropped a fake nuclear bomb at an airshow and pissed off everybody! He was insane. He was not a hero in my eyes. He can be a hero in the troll’s mind, but he will never be a hero in mine. Get it?

You guys can’t rant your asses off and it will not change my mind. If I have finally pissed you off to the point that you’re tearing your hair out….GOOD! Leave and don’t ever come back. Really, we here at WNI won’t miss any of you at all.

By the way, my blog is not big like AMERICAblog or FireDogLake or what have you. Get it? They have a standard to go by, but me? I’m a pissed off American and I can display my opinion whenever I want! I even add links to my posts that you neocons never click on! How do I know? I can see what links are being clicked on and rarely are the links on a thread a troll is on ever clicked! You guys just yap your chops without even reading and just respond to the title of my post.

You’re stupid little cowards who think all cowards are heroes. You’ve got the problem, not me pals.

Okay, going to bed. Have fun talking to each other and spewing your “oh feel sorry for us reich wingers! we want to be loved to! kay is so mean!” crap.
E.B. Juan
November 1st, 2007 @ 9:34 pm

Oh, as an addendum, Kay, maybe we are morons, but there is something worse than being a moron, and that is being a Fool.

And you are The Fool.
exMIL
November 1st, 2007 @ 9:39 pm

“Edited by Kay:

But dropping an atomic bomb on sleeping innocent people that kills 150,000 at once is the same as patting a baby kitten in your eyes? Wake up asshole! You wonâ€™t be thinking this way if nukes are dropped on Americaâ€¦especially if theyâ€™re dropped by your own crazy assed warmongering government to blame Iran! Or try another country dropping one on us because they hate us or think your crazy eyed president and vice president must be stopped. I bet youâ€™d hate a nuclear blast then, huh? Oh, but itâ€™s okay to you if America does it to another country.

We attacked Iraq when it had no REAL military to defend itself. Was that brave? Nope. Was that heroic? Nope. Hell, Bush hasnâ€™t even turned the lights on in that country! He could care less about those brown people, huh?!!!

A hero is not a coward. The End.”

Your reponse above is an indication of how far removed you are from any objectivness, compassion or even the smallest degree of compassion for those that die. in case you didn’t know it, when people die so do their political beliefs. Normal people usually show some respect even if they disagreed or didn’t like the person. But not you. What goes around comes around.

Still can’t defend yourself against anything that any of the other commenters said, so you continue on a rage induced rant about Bush, nuclear bombs being dropped on our country and Iraq none of which has anything to do with the disrespect shown in your post on Tibbetts.

This proves you are unable to defend your words.
kayinmaine
November 1st, 2007 @ 9:39 pm

I’m a fool? What, for having my own opinion of Paul Tibbetts and it doesn’t match yours? Oh that’s right! You wingers are all for the freedom of speech, huh? LOL Dumbass fools. Liars too.

You hate America and her rights….just admit it. This could be a breakthrough for your therapy that you desperately need.

If you don’t like my opinions, remember………Redstate.com, Freerepublic.com and Ann Coulter will lather you up if you show up there!

Won’t miss ya. Bubbye.
kayinmaine
November 1st, 2007 @ 9:40 pm

Post a link that proves a million people would have died if Tibbetts hadn’t dropped an atomic bomb that killed hundreds of thousands. Thanks morons!

I’ll read it in the morning.
kayinmaine
November 1st, 2007 @ 9:42 pm

“This proves you are unable to defend your words.”

And your response to my rants/comments has been the same: Kay is not supposed to have her own opinions! She’s supposed to be towing the reich wing American Nazi line! Kay is stupid!

Yeah. I learn a lot from our little conversations, troll. *rolling eyes*
exMIL
November 1st, 2007 @ 9:42 pm

someone with more experience with computers than me needs to hack this nuttjobs blog and delete it from the web
lostinmaine
November 1st, 2007 @ 9:42 pm

Ain’t she SOMETHIN’ !?
kayinmaine
November 1st, 2007 @ 9:45 pm

Lostinmaine, your blog is really ugly. Is it a reflection of you? How come no comments allowed? Control freak? Yep!

If my blog gets hacked, I now have your handle, your email address, and your IP address saved in my documents on my computer. Thanks for the heads up, moron! LOL!
exMIL
November 1st, 2007 @ 9:47 pm

Not true that you cant have opinoins, never said that. Only that you have not addressed anything posed to you by any of the commenters. You changed the subject because you cant dfend your words.

your disrespect of Tibbetts has nothing to do with Bush, Iraq, America being bombed or nuked or any other item you try to side track with.

I think the westboro church website is godhatesfags.com You can probably sign up there and they will email you when and where the next military funeral they will be protesting at. You can join them. They are just like you.
billjpa
November 1st, 2007 @ 9:49 pm

OG-
exMIL
November 1st, 2007 @ 9:49 pm

bring it on nuttjob. your threats don’t scare me one bit.

so do you spit on your Army dad, your cousins, your uncle, your brother, all you claim exist and served in the military?
lostinmaine
November 1st, 2007 @ 9:50 pm

you really can’t handle conversing with decency,can you. . .
E.B. Juan
November 1st, 2007 @ 9:51 pm

Kay, you’re a troll. It’s in your genes. I’ve never run across anyone as mule-assed crazy stubborn as you, except for George Bush. The difference is you are a troll with your own blog. LOL! What a twist! I am laughing my ass off. Built your own little bridge, sitting underneath it, waiting for unsuspecting passer-bys, then you pounce when someone has a differing opinion, …. and you call yourself enlightened.

Jeezus.

Stick to cleaning houses, okay? Stop being a parasite on the liberal ideals. You don’t even understand liberal ideals. You’re just LOUD. That’s all. Just loud.
helanren
November 1st, 2007 @ 9:52 pm

Well, at least she’s smart enough to just start ranting because she absolutely has no reasonable point to make. I guess that’s the scary thing with blogs. Even stupid people with mental retardation are suddenly able to spray their illogical and retarded views onto the internet.

Way to go.

@9: What a twist of my words. I don’t think I need to even bother anymore, do I? Sometimes it takes a crime to prevent hundreds of crimes. An eye for an eye, so to speak. No-one condones dropping a nuclear bomb for no reason, but in rare cases it might be a shortway out of hell. Too bad for those who died. (I don’t see you worrying about all the people in Africa dying of poverty, while you are comfortably sitting in your couch watching another episode of Oprah Winfrey with some kids who are too damn fat to even see their own genitals. Hyprocracy rules, doesn’t it?)
exMIL
November 1st, 2007 @ 9:52 pm

So do you spit on them? Are they reich wingers:

My father was in the Army
My brother was in the Air Force
My cousin Scotty was in the first Persian Gulf War & todayâ€™s Iraq illegal invasion
My cousin Phil was in the first Persian Gulf War
My cousin Paula is in the Army and is on standby
My uncle was in the Korean War
lostinmaine
November 1st, 2007 @ 9:59 pm

There lies in the Ocean an island which is called The Lost. In Charm and all kinds of fertility it far surpasses every other land, but it is unknown to men. Now and again it may be found by chance; but if one seeks it, it cannot be found, and therefore it is called The Lost.
Honorius of Autun, De Imagine Mundi, about AD 1130

ROTSA RUCK,KAY !
Bombiran
November 1st, 2007 @ 10:00 pm

Kay is a fucking dropout toilet scrubber who ought to be hung and burned in the public square.

Poster Bitch for the cowardly deranged. I am copying her post to Limbaugh and Hannity for them to dissect her while she is awake. She wants no civil discourse or discussion of political topic. She is a vile lizard vomiting hate and slime. God help those who have to live in her vicinity. She can thank whatever pig god she prays to that I don’t.
billjpa
November 1st, 2007 @ 10:01 pm

OG- You do have friends out here in the sphere! The creators of the bomb realized what they had built and tried to get it to destroyed.
The Idea that we saved lives is just one more legend. The war had reached the point at which blockades and continued limitted aerial attacks woud have brought Japan to the same “Unconditional Surrender” that the bomb did.
What is missed by all is that this country wanted its pound of flesh and woouldn’t have stopped for anything.
It was a new toy- just like the situation that is happening today. The wingers want the Ayyyrabs Obliterated. The wingers want to “turn the region into glass! Remember, the “Japs” were the yellow bastards to fry! So whats new?
This country just continues to show just how mercilous and racist this country is! Whats new?
Spud1
November 1st, 2007 @ 10:16 pm

I suppose you’ll want to lump all the pilots that dropped the fire sticks on Dresden too, as that raid killed more than either Hirshima or Nagasaki. In fact, you better include all the pilots that fire bombed Tokyo too, an inferno so hellish it is said the river boiled.

You might also include those responsible for sending the V-1 and V-2 bombs into London. Or Madelein Albright thinking the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children “worth it”. Pol Pot and other like him too. Or those that leveled Falluja with “shake and bake.”

Tibbets himself said that all war is immoral (listen here: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=15858203). Let’s let his words speak for themselves, shall we?
Uncle Fester Lurks
November 1st, 2007 @ 10:16 pm

All I’m going to say is that by using a nuclear bomb the US opened up a pandora’s box that lumes over the world still today. We were the first country to use a nuclear bomb on another nation and hopefully that is the last time any country decides to use a nuclear bomb on another nation.
Bombiran
November 1st, 2007 @ 10:23 pm

Fuck the bitch. Her stupidity is her own hell. Like Hitler, stupidity mixed with hatred causes mass derangement that starts wars in the first place. Apparently, the bitch thinks it was OK that the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. Maybe she would like to claim Roosevelt had the Japanese bomb Pearl so he could claim to be a hero president. It’s exactly what she does about 9/11 and Bush.

Hurry up and die bitch. The Earth would be better off without ya! SPIT!!!!
grantinhouston
November 1st, 2007 @ 11:10 pm

Tibbetts was briefed on the Manhattan Project and knew what he was going to do, and trained for dropping the A-Bomb as it required some looping maneuvers for his plane to escape the blast.

Tibbets always insisted that he did not have regrets. He told NPR in 2000 that the suggestion that the atomic attack was morally wrong was “hogwash.”

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=15858203

Most of the scientists who worked on the Manhattan Project turned against actually using it. Eisenhower was against dropping them:

When learning about the plans for Japan, Eisenhower said, “I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of ‘face’. The Secretary was deeply perturbed by my attitude…”

- Dwight Eisenhower, Mandate For Change, pg. 380

“When I asked General MacArthur about the decision to drop the bomb, I was surprised to learn he had not even been consulted. What, I asked, would his advice have been? He replied that he saw no military justification for the dropping of the bomb. The war might have ended weeks earlier, he said, if the United States had agreed, as it later did anyway, to the retention of the institution of the emperor.”

Norman Cousins, The Pathology of Power, pg. 65, 70-71.

http://www.doug-long.com/quotes.htm

However, the Pentagon had spent millions on developing the bomb and there was a group there that didn’t wish to waste this money, plus they wanted to see what the bomb would do.
Chris from Maine
November 2nd, 2007 @ 1:16 am

lol kay.. your blog really attracts some big time bottom feeders.. I guess that means you are definately having an impact and making a difference.
smoke
November 2nd, 2007 @ 5:38 am
kayinmaine
November 2nd, 2007 @ 6:08 am

I love how you trolls come here to CHANGE MY MIND and call me stubborn. Well, guess what? There is nothing you can say or do to change my mind, morons!

Did every single soldier during WWII drop an atomic bomb on Japan? Nope! I am upset with what Tibbetts did and if you read the other comments above, you’d know that THE MAKERS OF THE BOMB DID NOT WANT IT TO BE USED BECAUSE THEY KNEW WHAT IT WOULD DO AND THE WHAT THE FALLOUT WOULD DO!

Hey, you trolls love nuclear bombs. The End. I don’t. The End.

Spud1 is a troll now who stands behind war, killing, and George Bush if he uses one? Yep! Apparently so. I kind of figured you were! Now I have the proof.

And guess what trolls? I woke up this morning still hating what Tibbetts did and I still hate war! You?
E.B. Juan
November 2nd, 2007 @ 7:10 am

Hate is the only thing you know how to do well, Kay.
Bombiran
November 2nd, 2007 @ 10:39 am

I hope someone is taking pictures of you when you get your ass flamed, krispy kreme. Grease fires are the worst to put out.
Strength Package Bravo
November 2nd, 2007 @ 12:49 pm

I AM Paul Tibbettes you shitbird and the coordinates of your bunghole have been entered into our fire control system. Prepare to receive a 20 kiloton nuke tipped cruise missle up your ass, you filthy, smelly bitch! The only innocent victims of this detonation will be the crab lice crawling all over your rotten-crotch!
WT
November 2nd, 2007 @ 1:59 pm

My god, your therapy bills must be huge. And it doesn’t seem to be working. Try a new shrink, psycho.
Rome
November 2nd, 2007 @ 2:02 pm

With a post like this, I’m led to believe that kayinmaine’s favorite war hero would have to be Bendict Arnold. I can’t wait her near suicidal reaction when Israel drops an larger version of the A-bomb on Tehran.
Kaitian
November 2nd, 2007 @ 2:05 pm

My grandfather was a POW in the Japanese Prison Camps in Tokyo Japan which he served at Battery H in the Philippines. Are you saying that what Tibbetts did to bring the end of the war had nothing to do with my grandfather going free shortly after the attack? There were still hundreds if not millions of Dutch, British, Americans, Chinese, Flipinos, Koreans, Manchurians, Mongolians, Thai, Singaporeans, Vietnamese, Burmese, etc held captive by the Japanese Empire which the atomic bombing bring an end to that. You rather risk the lives of millions of people in a gamble in the invasion of Japan vs the gamble of several hundred thousand people. Afterall, people were dying by the thousands everyday under Japanese control. You seem to disregard that fact whatsoever and people owe their lives to what Paul Tibbetts did that day. You also seem to forget that the Japanese Empire slaughtered millions of people all across the Pacific. But you’re a peace fanatic and your ideology would never stand up to the Japanese that were fighting and dying for their Emperor, Hirohito.

Then again, you’re a despicable piece of shit.
Larry
November 2nd, 2007 @ 2:10 pm

If you can’ tell when you reach this site immediately that Kayinmaine has a mental illness you are not a good judge of people. This was obvious upon reading her opening spiel. That is one of the hazards of the internet, many ill people can be involved. It is up to the sane to seperate the wheat from the chaff, Kayinmaine being the worthless chaff
Rand
November 2nd, 2007 @ 2:27 pm

Your a stupid cunt!
Darth Odie
November 2nd, 2007 @ 2:49 pm

Wake up asshole! You wonâ€™t be thinking this way if nukes are dropped on Americaâ€¦especially if theyâ€™re dropped by your own crazy assed warmongering government to blame Iran!

Wow idiots make more progress every day huh!

Those crazy ass war mongering presidents like FDR (effing dictator) and Truman were just murderers and Hitler and Hirohito were the real heroes. They dropped fire bombs on sleeping cities to fight the man and the jooooos.

end sarcasm.

I tried, but I fear I didn’t even come close to as nutty as this bitch is.
aTADoff
November 2nd, 2007 @ 2:54 pm

Casualty est.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall

Cost in civilian lives of Air Campaign.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo_in_World_War_II

Other Considerations.

Soviet Union was attacking Northern Japan which could have led to partitioning similar to Germany.

America’s prisoner’s of war were under threat.

Populations in Korea and China were at risk from a desperate military.

Japan’s culture did not allow for honourable surrender.
—-

In my opinion it was a horrible situation but the shock of such a clear message … that Japan was powerless against this enemy and that any sacrifice would be futile… allowed the people to accept surrender as a possibility.
Don
November 2nd, 2007 @ 2:57 pm

You need some serious help, ma’am. Either that or a solid dose of reality.
Matt
November 2nd, 2007 @ 2:58 pm

Another ‘peace, love and tolerance’ liberal celebrating the death of a human being.

How special.
MickUSA
November 2nd, 2007 @ 3:09 pm

“How do you know a million people WOULD have been killed? Huh? No one knows that! ”

Well, considering the Japanese fought to the death in every engagement with the US in the pacific, it was highly likely that they would not have rolled over and followed your â€œwar is bad â€œ mantra, and just politely surrendered.

At the very least we would have had a million casualties.

You know nothing, and obviously never opened a history book.

If that man had not performed that mission, you probably would not exist.

Spit on him?

No No my dear, spit on you.
Strength Package Bravo
November 2nd, 2007 @ 3:19 pm

Kay, you are a vile, ugly excuse for a human being. You praise Iran as being innocent while they are preparing to build nuclear bombs and have promised to use them. You criticize Bush for wanting to stop them from doing so. You are the enemy. Premptive stikes on the likes of you are justified. You’d better leave while you still can. I’m sure Akminanutjob of Iran will welcome you with open arms after he slaps a full body burka on your ugly fat ass. Get out you vile, filthy traitor.
james
November 2nd, 2007 @ 3:23 pm

from the start of the 20th century to 1945 Japan was a brutal racist rape genocide machine that had pillaged from Korea down to the Philippines. Using Chemical weapons, bayonette practice on Chinese children, building camps of sex slaves from Korea to Indonesia, creating forced famines, even Cannibalism were cited during the war crimes trial.

Japanese military’s use of slave labor by Asian civilians (MORE THAN more than 10 million Chinese civilians alone!!) led to millions of deaths of civilians forced into slavery by imperial Japan. More civilians died in the construction of the Burma-Siam Railway ALONE, by being worked to death and starved, than were killed by the atomic bomb.

Yes, killing sucks. It is not a great thing that we had to nuke them, but why don’t you go ask some old Filipino/Korean/Chinese what they thought of it? The fact is Japan needed to be stopped and destroyed. That is just a fact.
It is like someone fighting Freddy Crogher and you are upset about them using too much force.

Your condemnations are based on such a lack of understanding and context that they become an insult
to the millions who were killed, raped, and enslaved by Imperial Japan.

Let us never forget the Asian Holocaust
Gary
November 2nd, 2007 @ 3:31 pm

So how long have you been single?
E.B. Juan
November 2nd, 2007 @ 3:36 pm

What’s interesting is that during the course of this post, out of 53 comments only 4 are supportive of Kay.

Where are all your liberal friends today, Kay? Why are they so conspicuously silent? Did they, too, see how offensive your rant is?

Tibbetts is dead. He did what he was told to do. We were actually in a very REAL world war, a declared war. Millions of people died. As one of the previous “trolls” pointed out, you overlooked a lot of history and fixated on this one event. Are you even aware of Dresden? The fire bombing of Tokyo? What the Japanese did to American POWs?

Sadly, the genie is out of the bottle. The beginning of the Atomic Age. I don’t know if dropping the atomic bomb was The Right Thing To Do, but I suspect it DID end the war sooner. And I do believe that the Japanese would have fought to the last man, woman and child. Do you have any idea what they did to the Chinese before WWII? Maybe you should get an audio book on history and listen to it while you vacuum other people’s houses. That way, you could learn something while you work.

And oh, to some of the others here, you know, it would be really refreshing if some of you could actually debate without the name calling. All this pissing and spitting. It gets old. You know?

Kay, you’re really aren’t making a difference or having an impact on anything. What you are doing is alienating people. Your hate is a fire that will consume you and destroy you. It’s really not a Passion that you have, it’s a Pathology that you have. It’s not healthy. In that light, you really are no better than Ann Coulter. It’s the same M.O.
the Dread Pundit Bluto
November 2nd, 2007 @ 3:36 pm

Thank God that Paul Tibbets and men like him were willing to risk their lives to preserve your right to call them cowards. I notice that you waited until after Mr. Tibbets’ death to smear him. You coward.
lostinmaine
November 2nd, 2007 @ 3:46 pm

E.B.Juan- You said it all! And you said it RIGHT !

YEP! THE END
Son Of The Godfather
November 2nd, 2007 @ 3:49 pm

Kay, your ignorance is mind-numbingly dazzling.

Tibbetts died, and remains, a hero.

You, however, will shuffle off your mortal coil leaving only chin whiskers in the sink and a scent of Pachoulli oil and body odor as your legacy.

…And you better hurry up, time to “impeach Bush and Cheney” is running out!!!
JohninCalifornia
November 2nd, 2007 @ 3:53 pm

Men like Paul Tibbets stopped the war. Dropping the A-bomb was the right thing to do and it save the lifes of thousand of men including my father (and by extension myself)!

Thank you Paul Tibbets!!!
red_sleeves
November 2nd, 2007 @ 4:01 pm

kayinmaine,

You may want to have the dosage of whatever you’re taking adjusted. Your crazy is sticking out and everyone is laughing at you.

I recognize that you must be suffering some sort of mental or psychological impairment because no one could possibly be this stupid and ignorant. Possibly you are only a child?

If you are a child, then please, years from now when you’re old enough to vote, this may all seem very embarrassing. The internets are not the safe and anonymous little playground you seem to imagine. Sharing your vile, disgusting and warped opinions with the world like this may serve some purpose in your life now, but could come back to bite you as you mature and pursue some kind of a career that would place you in the public eye.
Gabriel
November 2nd, 2007 @ 4:14 pm

KayInMaine warned: “If you are a vile reich wing troll or you act like a complete asshole while in the backseat of the WNI limo, Kay will expose your email address and/or IP address for public viewing at my discretion. Kay will not put up with your crap any longer. If you don’t like this rule, then don’t drop by here. Get it?”

I guess you missed the Irony train. For someone who prattles on about “the reich wing” and their gestapo tactics, you don’t seem to grasp that your little statement is the epitome of everything you claim to hate so much.

Your post is simply awesome. Your failed attempt at logic, and desperate attempts to justify your horribly ill conceived original post are both amusing and pathetic all at once. Most of us would call this backpedaling, but in your simple mind, its probably classified as “speaking truth to power” or whatever nonsensical bumper sticker feel good slogan of the month happens to come into your small mind.

Enjoy your 15 seconds of blogger fame, remain forever an ignorant poor excuse for a “liberal”. I can disagree with well thought out positions that come from a standpoint of logical analysis, but petty rantings of the 3rd grade caliber that are posted here don’t warrant much brainpower to deconstruct.
Strength Package Bravo
November 2nd, 2007 @ 4:17 pm

When you die, a giant marker in the form of a toilet will be constructed at your gravesite so that everyone who visits can see the inscription “Here lies a traitor and a vile human being who, through her dispicable acts of hatred and treason, offended all who valiantly served their country as true patriots of America.

You are encouraged to take a giant shit in this monumental commode in memory of KayInMaine’s occupation and her life’s insideous deeds.”

May she rest in Hell.
Mark
November 2nd, 2007 @ 4:19 pm

ah, yes but when Saddam butchered 1000’s upon 1000’s of innocent civilians your voice was not heard. typical leftist attitude -
Mark
November 2nd, 2007 @ 4:21 pm

“MOSTLY INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT WEARING MILITARY UNIFORMS”

yep – just like the innocent people who are bombed in cafes and tortured – what flag or uniform do they wear?
Mark
November 2nd, 2007 @ 4:23 pm

KayInMaine warned: “If you are a vile reich wing troll or you act like a complete asshole while in the backseat of the WNI limo, Kay will expose your email address and/or IP address for public viewing at my discretion. Kay will not put up with your crap any longer. If you don’t like this rule, then don’t drop by here. Get it?”

odd coming from someone whose mantra is hate.
kayinmaine
November 2nd, 2007 @ 4:29 pm

Again, I’m the vile one? It’s you assholes who are the ones who love war, love blowing people up, have no problem with rape, torture, and killing! I’m the one who is against what you assholes stand for! Get it?
kayinmaine
November 2nd, 2007 @ 4:30 pm

You do realize…all the time you’ve spent on my blog today and yesterday, you could have been signing up to join the military! How come you haven’t? Huh, phony soldiers you are?
kayinmaine
November 2nd, 2007 @ 4:31 pm

I must be right in my opinion for you whiny ass titty babies to be here all day trying to get me to shut up! LOL I’m loving this actually. Keep talking!
RightWingKiller
November 2nd, 2007 @ 4:32 pm

I am always amazed at the ingorance, hate and intolerance spewing from the supposedly enlightened and open minded Facists who are so numerous on the Left. You love to demonize and attack the tradsitionalists and those on the right, but the real examples of hate and even violent disruption of civil rights all come from those on the Left.
As someone who voted Democrat for 40+ years until, the stench attached to whatever redocorated Socialist the DNC trotted out became too much to ignore, I fear that the Sheeple of this country will listen to the DNC slave puppets in the Media and elect “Hitlery the 1st” as the last American President.
What will result from that will be a blood letting like the world has not seen in a thousand years, but before we are swept into the dust bin of history and Freedom is lost to Socualist Slavry we will visit justice on your ass.
kayinmaine
November 2nd, 2007 @ 4:32 pm

“Kay, youâ€™re really arenâ€™t making a difference or having an impact on anything. What you are doing is alienating people. Your hate is a fire that will consume you and destroy you. Itâ€™s really not a Passion that you have, itâ€™s a Pathology that you have. Itâ€™s not healthy. In that light, you really are no better than Ann Coulter. Itâ€™s the same M.O.”

Uh, hello! You’re part of the 24% of this country that America has alienated….not me pal! Ha.
Strength Package Bravo
November 2nd, 2007 @ 4:34 pm

“Itâ€™s you assholes who are the ones who love war, love blowing people up, have no problem with rape, torture, and killing!” KayInMaine

If you are the victim, then you are right: I’m all for torturing you but I wouldn’t rape you. Nope. I don’t want any disease from you. I’ll have a gang of very large Zulu warriors do it. The video will be no. 1 on YouTube.
Kaitian
November 2nd, 2007 @ 4:34 pm

Yes, you’re the vile one here. We’re the one that are defending the allied war effort against the Japanese Empire who were a bunch of sadistic brutal murders in World War II and Tibbetts’ action help bring an end to that bloody and devastating war. Maybe you should go to China, Korea, Philippines, Burma, Vietnam, Taiwan, Marianas, etc and see what they thought of the Japanese wonderful care during World War II?
Mark
November 2nd, 2007 @ 4:34 pm

lets see – this was done to prevent MORE war, so therefore we must love war.

and people wonder why liberals can’t accomplish a thing.

rape? link?

i’ve been in the military lady – protecting YOUR freedoms to spout off the crap you do – i hear Fred Phelps is hiring….go spew your bile there lady.
Strength Package Bravo
November 2nd, 2007 @ 4:36 pm

Oh, by the way you fucking coward whore; die.
Mark
November 2nd, 2007 @ 4:36 pm

â€œMOSTLY INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT WEARING MILITARY UNIFORMSâ€

yep – just like the innocent people who are bombed in cafes and tortured – what flag or uniform do they wear?

i noticed you ignored my earlier question – too busy painting yourself into a corner?
Kaitian
November 2nd, 2007 @ 4:36 pm

Especially I fail to see the connection between Paul Tibbetts’ effort in World War II to today’s time where you’re extremely paranoid of. His action contributed to a different time yet you’re attempting to make a huge connection between reality today and the past. You need to ask your doctor to crank up your dosage on whatever you’re using because right now, it’s not enough.
Mark
November 2nd, 2007 @ 4:37 pm

# Strength Package Bravo Says:
November 2nd, 2007 at 4:36 pm

Oh, by the way you fucking coward whore; die.

dude – don’t lower yourself to her level. she is the same ilk that think 9/11 was an inside job “TOWER 7!” “TOWER 7!”
kayinmaine
November 2nd, 2007 @ 4:39 pm

Who are the ones using the vile language throughout this whole thread? Oh that’s right! The neocon Bush/Sen. Susan Collins supporters are! Just thought I’d add that. It’s important.
Kaitian
November 2nd, 2007 @ 4:41 pm

You wouldn’t know what irony meant if it stared at you in the face.
SeeMonk
November 2nd, 2007 @ 4:43 pm

Hi Kay,

Really bad post. Seriously. Aside from the point you are wrong on a few facts, Hiroshima was bombed in daylight so we could assess damages and also better view the target. If the Japs were sleeping when the bomb dropped it was because they worked the night shift building weapons and ammo to be used to kill and maim American fighting men and women.

Another point of history you have omitted is Japan’s effort to build their own nuke which of course did not succeed.

I have been to Hiroshima and Peace park. I have stood at ground zero. I have walked the museum where Japanese propaganda still calls the Koreans working as slaves in their fields and factories the innocents. I had a belly full of their crap and lies because they hope with enough time the facts and realities of that time will be worn away and rewritten by drive by historians such as yourself. Gen Tibbets did not ask to drop the bomb. He was assigned the job and he did without question. That is what an American warrior does.

Gen Tibbets was a warrior and a very brave one at that. He did not hid behind the anonymnity of a cheap blog to cast dispersions upon the dead. He stepped up to the microphone and publicly said what he felt for 92 years. You bring shame upon yourself but lots of blog traffic too.

I hope you don’t hurt yourself when sticking that pencil too far up your nose.
SeeMonk
November 2nd, 2007 @ 4:44 pm

BTW I don’t know who Sen Collins is.
Kaitian
November 2nd, 2007 @ 4:46 pm

The Senator of Maine and apparently the same bogieman in her sleep. Of course, she’s been lacking her huge dose of reality.
Mark
November 2nd, 2007 @ 4:48 pm

why haven’t you addressed my questions?
Mark
November 2nd, 2007 @ 4:57 pm

i love how you preach about family values, yet it was the state you live in that doles out birth control to 11 year olds.

you’re a hypocrite lady – a sad, lonely hypocrite.
kayinmaine
November 2nd, 2007 @ 4:59 pm

Guess what SeeMonk? I have a right to my own opinion! Isn’t that cool?
kayisdead
November 2nd, 2007 @ 5:03 pm

Kayinmaine is brain dead. Liberalism is a mental disorder. Please seek help.
kayinmaine
November 2nd, 2007 @ 5:04 pm

Oh I see Mark…you’d rather have 11 year olds pregnant! Reich wing family values. Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
TexasFred
November 2nd, 2007 @ 5:04 pm

Yeah, Paul Tibbets did a bad thing, he only dropped ONE nuke on Japan, if he’d have had 3 or 4 more and had made an even bigger bombing run, well, that’s what I call SUCCESS…

Tibbets IS a hero, albeit a dead hero, You on the other hand, are just a moonbat…
Mr. President
November 2nd, 2007 @ 5:04 pm

Kay is a bad person.

Treasonous, traitorous, treacherous.

terrible person.

You disgust me.
Mr. President
November 2nd, 2007 @ 5:06 pm

bitch
kayinmaine
November 2nd, 2007 @ 5:07 pm

Oh okay, our soldiers are fighting for Kay’s (and yours) right to free speech, but yet, you neocons are telling me I’m committing treason and are a traitor for using it? Wow! Spitting on our soldiers who have sacrificed in Iraq is one of your fortes huh, trolls?!!!
kayinmaine
November 2nd, 2007 @ 5:08 pm

Ah yes! TexasFred is hoping a nuke is dropped on his state which will tell him that America loves him and his state!

Dumbass.
kayisanidiot
November 2nd, 2007 @ 5:09 pm

Wow you seriously have no idea what you are talking about. It really is sad to see you try and spin everyone’s comments to make yourself feel better for being a complete idiot. Go ahead and reply and use your buzz words you seem to like so much instead of any actual comments. Neocon Riech wing, blah blah blah.
Mark
November 2nd, 2007 @ 5:10 pm

Oh I see Markâ€¦youâ€™d rather have 11 year olds pregnant! Reich wing family values. Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

no i’d like to see some parents (like you) actually do some parenting instead of expecting someone else do it for them

family values indeed.
kayinmaine
November 2nd, 2007 @ 5:16 pm

My son isn’t having sex and he’s 13. Any questions?
kayinmaine
November 2nd, 2007 @ 5:17 pm

“Wow you seriously have no idea what you are talking about. It really is sad to see you try and spin everyoneâ€™s comments to make yourself feel better for being a complete idiot. Go ahead and reply and use your buzz words you seem to like so much instead of any actual comments. Neocon Riech wing, blah blah blah.”

Right back atcha, dumbass!
jdawg
November 2nd, 2007 @ 5:19 pm

Yup, another liberal showing her “love” for our country and our troops.

Yeah, right.

Just more proof that liberals ARE the enemy within.

Were it not for heroes like Paul Tibbetts you wouldn’t have the right to do what you do.

Get help, you really need it.
Smitten Eagle
November 2nd, 2007 @ 5:19 pm

Another “fake but accurate” post of the lefties.

When retorted on her horried use of facts by SeeMonk, her response is: “Guess what SeeMonk? I have a right to my own opinion! Isnâ€™t that cool?”

So opinion trumps facts. Got it. Now I understand.

So now that we all have opinions, which opinion is the correct one? The one backed up by facts, or one which fits the narrative of the day? As the narrative seems to be something put together post facto to support a given political position, it appears that the “more equal” opinion is the one held by the elite who creates the narrative. Thus opinion, to a person like you, Kay, seems to be a tool of power, rather than an expression of objective reality.

How very Frankfurt School! How Soviet! How Cultural-Marxist chique!

How’s this for an opinion?: Kay–the Emperor of Great Nippon demands your Seppuku. Your defense of the impenetrable isles of Nippon is six decades too late.
kayisanidiot
November 2nd, 2007 @ 5:22 pm

# kayinmaine Says:
November 2nd, 2007 at 5:17 pm

â€œWow you seriously have no idea what you are talking about. It really is sad to see you try and spin everyoneâ€™s comments to make yourself feel better for being a complete idiot. Go ahead and reply and use your buzz words you seem to like so much instead of any actual comments. Neocon Riech wing, blah blah blah.â€

Right back atcha, dumbass!
—————

Point and match.

thank’s for proving me right.
Mark
November 2nd, 2007 @ 5:27 pm

My son isnâ€™t having sex and heâ€™s 13. Any questions?

and you think this is something you should be proud of? it should be EXPECTED. but of course lets just keep the parents out of it and let our schools decide whats best – doling out birth control. family values indeed. and i’m sure your son with be oh so proud that mommy is a nutbag.
E.B. Juan
November 2nd, 2007 @ 5:31 pm

ATTENTION!

I do hope that those of you right wingers ( I am ignoring the true trolls here because they are untreatable, I deem them terminal in the way they think) PAY ATTENTION! because Kay in Maine DOES NOT REPRESENT THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC/LIBERAL VIEWS of this country.

Kay is a poor example of what the Democratic Party represents. She does that party a great dishonor. As does Hillary Clinton. And a host of others.

And enough with the name calling. And learn the English language — if you are so damned patriotic, then learn how to speak English. God Damn I am so tired of reading misspelled / ungrammatical crap from you guys. What it says about you is that you are really just lazy bastards and aren’t willing to learn one fucking thing except how to throw your feces at something you don’t like. It’s so monkey.

GET EDUCATED. TAKE A CLASS IN ENGLISH GRAMMAR. LEARN HOW TO COMMUNICATE.

Otherwise, this country is doomed.

Same for you, Kay. Same for you.
Bombiran
November 2nd, 2007 @ 5:34 pm

Oh the fun!!! KookInMaine has finally stepped into a pile of her own shit. How’s it smell bitch? Wow, look at all the traffic here. But alas! I don’t see any of your lunatic lefty buddies here defending you!!! Where’s Clif and Dad and Uncle Fester Lurks? Grant In Houston? One milktoast post for him? No support eh? You have just shown the world how irrevalent you are. Free speech? You bet! You have the right to say it. We have the right to shoot your pathetic ass down! Ain’t freedom great? LOL!
Bombiran
November 2nd, 2007 @ 5:37 pm

E.B Juan — got a suggestion for you. change your name to Spellchecker. Apparently, you are obsessed with grammar and spelling. Are you a retired English teacher or just a repressed, unappreciated one?
Mark
November 2nd, 2007 @ 5:41 pm

Guess what SeeMonk? I have a right to my own opinion! Isnâ€™t that cool?

yes, but when your opinions are based on emotional input rather than FACTS, its easy to dismiss
E.B. Juan
November 2nd, 2007 @ 5:41 pm

Kay, didn’t you state earlier, that you had a 15th birthday party for your son?

Do you not remember his age? Maybe you should stay off the computer for a while and get to know your kid again.

Ah, Family Values.

Look. Tell you what. Just become a Republican. You have all the qualities. And being a Republican pays better. What do you say? You can just go over to the courthouse or driver’s license place and change your voter registration.

I think you will be a happier person for it. I do. You might even find a man.
E.B. Juan
November 2nd, 2007 @ 5:46 pm

Bombiran, it’s funny that you took my comments personally. It wasn’t aimed at you. So chill, dude. Unless you’re sweating that your parents are going to discover what your high school English grade is for this quarter.

It’s a bitch being a teenager, ain’t it? I sympathize. I was there once.

Of all the posters here, you, Bombiran, need to shut up and sit down, little man.
kayinmaine
November 2nd, 2007 @ 5:50 pm

Anyone here for peace in the world? If so, can you explain why you support Bush, Cheney, and the GOP, please?
kayinmaine
November 2nd, 2007 @ 5:52 pm

“yes, but when your opinions are based on emotional input rather than FACTS, its easy to dismiss”

I still have a right to my own opinion even if it is emotional and not based on anything except for how I feel or am feeling. Isn’t that cool?!!!!
kayinmaine
November 2nd, 2007 @ 5:53 pm

E.B.Juan, it must have been a troll who said my son was 15. Read for crying out loud! He’s 13 and has been since May of this year. Any other stupid questions or comments of me to make yourself feel better?
SeeMonk
November 2nd, 2007 @ 5:53 pm

More facts about Hiroshima

Is located in a valley that is more or less bowl shaped

Was the location of a large military post

Big manufacturing hub for war goods

Was left intact so the effects of the bomb could be more accurately gaged

Was the secondary target, Tokyo was the primary

The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki brought to an end the twelve year long horror that Imperial Japan had wrought upon east Asia. Japanese imperialists brought the world such fine memories like, Death Ships, The Nanjing Massacre, The Bataan Death March, Live human experimentation, Iwo Jima, Guadal Canal, Tarawa, Peilileu, Okinawa, Adak, Wake Guam, The Philipines, and Pearl Harbor.

They offered no quarter and recieved none in return intil they surrendered.

That is fact not opinion Kay. That is the ugly of War which is why men who fight it, fight it so hard. By the way Kay, I did serve. I am proud of the way my ancestors have fought to preserve the Union and to protect our freedoms, yours too. So think about this, just because you can do something does not mean it is right or okay for you to do so. If we all acted on the premise that although abhorrent it was okay to do whatever that was still legal, we would be a lost civilization and perhaps barely civilized at that.

Elevate the level of discourse Kay, admit what you said was wrong at the very least. Perhps one day when you die, and we all will one day, some one will remmeber that in a time when you really messed up, you corrected yourself. Let that be your legacy. Don’t let befouling the memory of a war hero be what everyone who visits your site remembers you by.
Longcat
November 2nd, 2007 @ 5:56 pm

Longcat is not pleased by kayinmaine. DO NOT WANT.
jdawg
November 2nd, 2007 @ 5:57 pm

“Anyone here for peace in the world? If so, can you explain why you support Bush, Cheney, and the GOP, please?”

Um, Kay, it’s called PEACE through STRENGTH, or peace through superior firepower, not peace through surrender, or peace through dhimmitude. If you really want “peace” so bad, support VICTORY in the war on terror.
jdawg
November 2nd, 2007 @ 5:59 pm

“I still have a right to my own opinion even if it is emotional and not based on anything except for how I feel or am feeling. Isnâ€™t that cool?!!!!”

Thanks to heroes like Paul Tibbets, who you SPIT ON!!!

Yes, you have a right to your opinion, and I have a right to tell you your opinion is stupid, vapid, and displays a total lack of knowledge or history.
Mark
November 2nd, 2007 @ 5:59 pm

Anyone here for peace in the world? If so, can you explain why you support Bush, Cheney, and the GOP, please?

sure, because as most liberals fail to see, talking with terrorists isn’t an option. i don’t toe the Republican line, but i’m glad someone finally sacked up and said no more. or we go the Clinton route – bomb an aspirin factory and call it day – then go and lie to a grand jury.

i think you’ve been drinking the Code Pink Koolaide too much
Brandon
November 2nd, 2007 @ 6:00 pm

Kay is a classic example of what Mike Savage often says “Liberalism is a mental disorder.”

Kay is the kind of pathetic nutjob that despises the men and women that protect her precious rights. An ingrate of the highest order. One who can’t appreciate what she has. Kay and her ilk should move to a liberal paradise like Cuba or North Korea to live out their socialist fantasies. Or perhaps move to the other enemies of America like Iran or Venezuela and revel in the hatred of America by those governments.
profit
November 2nd, 2007 @ 6:04 pm

omg who is going to keep the profit flowing in and the scapegoats, i mean terrorists, under control so we can steal all their oil if these pussy liberals keep being nice and fair and tolerating stuff.

sociopaths are fucking funny, lets kill them all and live in paradise.
Longcat
November 2nd, 2007 @ 6:07 pm

Longcat demands that kayinmaine is sacrificed for the greater good. DO WANT.
SeeMonk
November 2nd, 2007 @ 6:07 pm

Liberalism is a social disease.
retro
November 2nd, 2007 @ 6:09 pm

yaK-in-Pain is living proof that Liberals are Logic’s retarded cousin.

“Liberals: making life equally miserable for everybody”

What a prize this one is…
Longcat
November 2nd, 2007 @ 6:10 pm

Longcat postulates that kayinmaine has centipedes in her genital canal.
retro
November 2nd, 2007 @ 6:13 pm

“sic vis pax – para bellum”
(If you wish peace – prepare for war)

“oderint dum metuant”
(Let them hate so long as they fear)

OK, I’ve wasted enough time poking at this tool – on to more productive things…
anonymous
November 2nd, 2007 @ 6:30 pm

I am a Liberal, capitol L, and bottom-feeder Kay, with her foul mouth and idiot remarks repeated over and over and over with not even a hint of intelligence, does not in ANY way represent Liberals or the Democratic party.

She is an embarrassment to true Liberals and our ideals.
Tusk
November 2nd, 2007 @ 6:32 pm

I have come to the conclusion that the majority of Libs are mentally ill. This theory comes from actually having to work with them on a daily basis in NJ and it gets tougher to do every day.

Tibbetts was Hero and deserves his rightful place in the annals of History of people that sacrificed ALL to end the human rights atrocities of Facist and Totalitarian states.

RIP and a crisp salute to Tibbetts.
Robert M. Leach
November 2nd, 2007 @ 6:36 pm

Get help you nazi bitch. It’s a good thing that fascists like you lost that war, I’m sure that you would be goose stepping in doubletime to drop an atom bomb on this country if you could.
E.B. Juan
November 2nd, 2007 @ 6:40 pm

This is the most intellectually amnesiac place I have ever visited. You people have totally lost your road maps.

Right wingers who don’t want to perfect their grammar, right wingers who just want to spit and piss, and Kay, who just wants to hate.

What a cesspool.

Enjoy the swim, Kay. I don’t see the calvary storming over the mountain crest to save you. I wish you luck with your house cleaning business. And your neglected son. I am done here. I tried to reason with you but I know now that is just a waste of my time. Good night.
lostinmaine
November 2nd, 2007 @ 6:44 pm

once again E.B., Truth. . . .
d
November 2nd, 2007 @ 6:49 pm

This is disgusting!

Thank you Kay for giving liberals a bad name. Now everytime idiots like Bill O’Reilly and Malkin et al talk about the “loony left” blogosphere, their arguments now have merit. Go ahead, give the right wing attack machine all the amunition they need to paint us all in YOUR bad light. YOU DO NOT REPRESENT TRUE LIBERALISM! A true liberal would NEVER write such a disgusting and ill informed post! You have betrayed the liberal cause.
Fuck you traitor!
anonymous
November 2nd, 2007 @ 6:56 pm

This Liberal says:

Kay is no more a Democrat than Malkin and Coulter and Rove are Republicans.

Whether Tibbetts is a hero is beside the point. He did as his country asked, he did it honorably, and his perilous mission saved more lives than were taken. He brought an end to a brutal empire and an end to a horrific war.

A grateful world says:

RIP Soldier
L
November 2nd, 2007 @ 6:59 pm

Glad to see that you never bothered to audit a history class beyond the standard “everything the US ever did was bad” college class. I’d highly suggest you read about the situation facing Truman’s decision to drop the bomb and Japan’s preparations as well as the battle for Okinawa. You might at least learn something about why we did what we did. And yes, a bomber pilot is still a hero and a brave man. Tibbetts was one of the finest bomber pilots in WWII, flying over Japan and Germany and taking AA and flak is bravery. Standing with hundreds of others and calling cops “pigs” and Republicans “fascists” at your little rallies isn’t.
Tusk
November 2nd, 2007 @ 7:03 pm

Kay didn’t give Libs a bad name, the Libs gave themselves a bad name. They are seen as anti-American, anti-troop, anti-individualism, do as I say and not as I do elitists, Hell bent on the destruction of personnel responsibility and the free market of ideas.

All in all the Libs are self destructing like their hero’s in Cuba, NK, Russia and every other murdering Commie state that has festered on the planet.

Good riddance.
Bombiran
November 2nd, 2007 @ 7:05 pm

How’s that shit sandwich, Kay? Tasting better as time goes on? Wow, you really fucked-up this time. What? No retort? Where’s your bud Mainefem? Where’s Clif? Where’s Dad? Where’s Uncle Fester? Where is your following?

They say it’s lonely at the top. (of your own shit heap).
WT
November 2nd, 2007 @ 7:16 pm

She may well be the only ninny to equate Susan Collins (RINO) and George Bush is history. I say up the dosage. Whatever she’s taking isn’t effective. No wonder she cant work in an office.
BenindavisCA
November 2nd, 2007 @ 7:23 pm

Kay,

Do you realize the venom and hatred that is spewing forth from your mind? Do you realize the vile nature of your words? If you spent more time studying history you would realize what is really going on in the world. I feel very sorry for you and those who think like you, as well as those who are on the opposite end of the pendulum swing. Your eyes may be opened a bit by reading. Here are a few suggestions. ” The Thirteenth Tribe” ” Decent Into Slavery” “Fourth Reich of the Rich” read those with that supposedly open mind of yours. Dont read about them… Read them.. then research them and try to find flaws.. The rest of you would do well to do this also. Pray for America ! Because at this point…. Only Almighty God can really do anything about what is going on in the world. ” The Federalist Papers” are also very important.. Study Jefferson!!!
d
November 2nd, 2007 @ 7:25 pm

If you have any sense of decency Kay, you would take this post down and issue an apology. You just gave Tusk at comment 133 exactly what he needs to paint us all as troop hating, America hating lunatics. This kind of shit will sway independants and moderates to vote Republican next year. Do you have ANY idea how damaging shit like this is to democrats? Are you really a republican masquarading as a democrat in order to make us look like lunatics? Spitting! On a dead soldier! For the love of God how could you conjure up such a disgusting memory that republicans have been unfairly beating the left up with since Vietnam? Have you lost your mind?!?
anonymous
November 2nd, 2007 @ 7:25 pm

What’s amuzin’ is Kay will see the number of comments on this thread and think “Wow! I’m a great blogger!”
Tusk
November 2nd, 2007 @ 7:33 pm

To the author of this incredulous and totally mindless and factless blog..

Tibbetts was among many thousands of real MEN that served and died to make it possible for you to espouse your vitriolic and intellectually dishonest rantings. Don’t let the facts get in the way of your seamy anti-American rhetoric.

Your hatred and disdain for America precedes you.
HardRight
November 2nd, 2007 @ 7:38 pm

Impotend little boys spit!
Brig. Gen Paul Tibbits, RIP Age 92 | BitsBlog
November 2nd, 2007 @ 7:43 pm

[...] Kay in Maine comments on the death of Paul Tibbetts, the man who flew the Enola Gay. Paul Tibbetts died a coward today at [...]
Bombiran
November 2nd, 2007 @ 7:45 pm

Where’s Kay? Oh! She ran away! To hide! Post number 138 is right … she will see this as her “shining moment” in the blog world when she believed she was relevant. A sad commentary on the human psyhe that she will be unable to comprehend the damage she has done to herself and the democrat cause. She is actually proud of herself! She is the poster girl for the statements Limbaugh makes that liberals live in an alternative universe. In her case, he is dead-on target.
Tusk
November 2nd, 2007 @ 7:49 pm

“Whatâ€™s amuzinâ€™ is Kay will see the number of comments on this thread and think â€œWow! Iâ€™m a great blogger!â€”

Yup, and I will make sure I copy, paste, and make sure I inundate forums, blogs, newsgroups with how the left like this ignorant hater views our soldiers and military.

This is nothing more than kindling for the fire that will destroy the Democrtas in ‘08
Bombiran
November 2nd, 2007 @ 7:50 pm

The irony of calling Paul Tibbets a â€œcowardâ€ is that Tibbets was assigned the Hiroshima mission in great part because he was considered the finest bomber pilot in the US Army Air Force. He piloted the lead B-17 in the first daylight bombing raid by an American squadron over Nazi occupied Europe in Aug. 1942 and later flew combat in the Mediterranean theater of operations. He personally shuttled Gen. Eisenhower from England to Gibralter prior to Operation Torch, the Allied invasion of North Africa.Tibbetsâ€™ commendations:

* Distinguished Service Cross
* Distinguished Flying Cross
* Air Medal
* Purple Heart
* Legion of Merit
* Commendation Medal
* European-African-Middle Eastern Campaign Medal
* Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal
* American Defense Service Medal
* American Campaign Medal
* World War II Victory Medal

Bozoer Rebbe

Thanks for the statement Bozoer. I thought it should be posted here. Paul Tibbettes had “The Right Stuff”.
Tusk
November 2nd, 2007 @ 7:58 pm

Heh, Don’t let facts get in the way of a good anti-American slugfest Bombiran. You won’t win.
BCarter
November 2nd, 2007 @ 7:59 pm

Wow, I thought I had seen just more of the usual lefty lunacy that can usually be ignored, but this really surprised me. I’m sure the author knows that the Japanese were training school children to fight to the death with sharpened bamboo spikes preparing for an invasion. They were ready for a knock-down drag-out fight the likes of which the world need never see. They would never have given up. Many of us would not be here today if it were not for Paul Tibbets, they would have died on the beaches of the Japanese home islands, fighting a war they did not start, but one that was instead started by a Japanese sneak attack.

I have no hate for any person in this world, but the context of this event was World War II. The Japanese started the war, fought fiercely, starved, tortured and executed American POWs, and ultimately lost because they were bombed with nuclear weapons. War is hell. I’m sure you are aware of unit 731, right? That would be the Japanese non-conventional warfare testing unit that performed vivisections on living human beings without anesthesia. I’m sorry that innocent people were killed in Hiroshima, but I’m glad our soldiers got to come home who would otherwise have died invading Japan. Japan, taken as a country in and of itself, they deserved what they got. Thank goodness for the physicists and scientists, who made this weapon possible, and the pilots who flew the missions to drop them. They saved many lives that would otherwise have been lost fighting a savage and heartless enemy. Don’t want atomic bombs dropped on your cities? Try not bombing a U.S. navy base next time. What have we learned here?

And before you call me a “warmonger” which I’m sure would be your first reaction (or find some way to bring Iraq into this), let me say I hate war, as all sane people do. But I also, as all sane people do (you not falling into this *particular* category), if I were to find myself in a war, I would want to WIN, by necessity, not because it’s fun. You win wars by killing the other guys! Life is tough, wear a helmet.

R.I.P. Paul Tibbets
Bombiran
November 2nd, 2007 @ 8:01 pm

Kay has done what that idiot bitch did when she wrote an op-ed piece that Pat Tillman deserved to die in “Bush’s War”. Tillman was killed by “friendly fire” but the loony leftists came out of the woodwork and cheered his passing and harrassing his family with all sorts of vile statements. These lunatics may have the “right” to say these awful things guaranteed by our 1st Amendment but their words are weapons and they must be answered with overwhelming and devastaing rebuttal. And mind you, the same applies to the wacko religious bible thumpers who protest at military funerals. These fringe wackos (both leftists and far right) must be contained and controlled lest, as in the case of the democrat presidential candidates, they are pandered to by those who seek to have power over us.
BDC
November 2nd, 2007 @ 8:03 pm

Wow, I thought I had seen just more of the usual lefty lunacy that can usually be ignored, but this really surprised me. I’m sure the author knows that the Japanese were training school children to fight to the death with sharpened bamboo spikes preparing for an invasion. They were ready for a knock-down drag-out fight the likes of which the world need never see. They would never have given up. Many of us would not be here today if it were not for Paul Tibbets, they would have died on the beaches of the Japanese home islands, fighting a war they did not start, but one that was instead started by a Japanese sneak attack.

I have no hate for any person in this world, but the context of this event was World War II. The Japanese started the war, fought fiercely, starved, tortured and executed American POWs, and ultimately lost because they were bombed with nuclear weapons. War is hell. I’m sure you are aware of unit 731, right? That would be the Japanese non-conventional warfare testing unit that performed vivisections on living human beings without anesthesia. I’m sorry that innocent people were killed in Hiroshima, but I’m glad our soldiers got to come home who would otherwise have died invading Japan. Japan, taken as a country in and of itself, they deserved what they got. Thank goodness for the physicists and scientists, who made this weapon possible, and the pilots who flew the missions to drop them. They saved many lives that would otherwise have been lost fighting a savage and heartless enemy. Don’t want atomic bombs dropped on your cities? Try not bombing a U.S. navy base next time. What have we learned here?

And before you call me a “warmonger” which I’m sure would be your first reaction (or find some way to bring Iraq into this), let me say I hate war, as all sane people do. But I also, as all sane people do (you not falling into this *particular* category), if I were to find myself in a war, I would want to WIN, by necessity, not because it’s fun. You win wars by killing the other guys! Life is tough, wear a helmet.
BDC
November 2nd, 2007 @ 8:05 pm

I’m sorry about the duplicate post… mod, can you fix? My browser’s having problems.
kayinmaine
November 2nd, 2007 @ 8:12 pm

Awwwww how cute. The reich wing wingnuts from Little Green Footballs and Free Republic have linked to my post. Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. What’s the matter boys? Busy on my blog today instead of enlisting with your recruiter to save America? Nope! No way would you yellow-bellied chickenhawks serve your president’s illegal occupation in Iraq, huh!

So, instead, you go after an American who is using her right to free speech. Awwwwww, how reich wing of all of you!
kayinmaine
November 2nd, 2007 @ 8:14 pm

BDC, I appreciate your post, but on the torture and starvation of our troops, are you saying it’s only okay if Americans (like Bush is doing now and has for years now) do that to OUR prisoners?

I’m dead set against torture, raping, and killing and I don’t care how any of it is done. It makes me furious that you reich wingers can defend George Bush and the current GOP on one hand, but condemn another nation for doing what we are currently doing. America is better than torture! Agree?
kayinmaine
November 2nd, 2007 @ 8:17 pm

About me being a “great blogger”, well, this post has had 1,100 hits on it (mainly from Freeper Ville! LOL), but that is nothing compared to the day this blog got over 10,500 hits on a post about Jenna Bush. Ha ha. See? This topic is only upsetting you wingers who aren’t down at the recruiters office, but instead, are on Kay’s blog to pretend you’re the biggest “patriots” in this country because you’re standing up for the guy who dropped a bomb on a sleeping city and killed 100,000+!

Pathetic.
Bombiran
November 2nd, 2007 @ 8:17 pm

Hey fuck you bitch! Who said anything about defending Bush? How fucking convenient of you to try and deflect from your own pile of stinking shit-post about an american hero, Paul Tibbettes. You need to have a hot cattle prod stuck up your ass for a dose of reality. Get fucked.
Tusk
November 2nd, 2007 @ 8:18 pm

Are you retarded? Do you have some “Issues” you need to deal with?

You posted this crud and you don’t expect people to respond to it?

How old are you and do you have permission to access the innernets from your parents puter?
Bithead
November 2nd, 2007 @ 8:22 pm

I note you wait until he’s dead to call the man a coward.
Apparently, you’ve not looked in a mirror of late.

How many American lives did he and his crew save, Kay?
You may recoil at the loss of life… and that’ actually a good thing. But they made it a choice between us and them. And guess what? The vote came up US… as it should have.

I’ll hasten to point up that had we not nuked Japan, you might not be alive today yourself.

I’d hold that an advatage beyond measure. But, ya makes yer choices.
A
November 2nd, 2007 @ 8:23 pm

Attacking civilians when there are alternatives = Terrorist attack. That simple.

The bomb could have been dropped near a city, and of cource allowing the Japanese to verify it, before dropping a second. Oppenheimmer’s opinion as well also as THE FUCKING DESIGNER.

Those who are ready to kill, deserve no life of their own.
Every conservative who posted here, not having a problem dropping a bomb on a city, does not deserve to live.

That simple.
anonymous
November 2nd, 2007 @ 8:27 pm

Told ya. Kay thinks # of hits give her validity.

Here a flash for you K:

Because some tiny wormy thought occurs in your barely-functioning brain does not mean it’s worth thinking.

You have done harm to the Democratic party with this post and like was said above, if you have any decency you would delete it immediately.
A
November 2nd, 2007 @ 8:29 pm

Don’t worry btw kay of any sudden traffic increase, your post has been featured in “free republic” so all the conservative nerd retards are now playing armchair warriors spamming your site, it’s not as if strangers and just average Americans just found your post. Most of whom, I would assume, dislike the idea of being nuked.
EXMil
November 2nd, 2007 @ 8:30 pm

All the comments and still Kay refuses to answer what I asked so many number of commets ago:

Kay claims

Her father was in the Army
Her brother was in the Air Force
Her cousin Scotty was in the first Persian Gulf War & todayâ€™s Iraq illegal invasion
Her cousin Phil was in the first Persian Gulf War
Her cousin Paula is in the Army and is on standby
Her uncle was in the Korean War

So do you spit on them? Are they reich wingers? They must be, they all must be baby killers with a thirst for human bloodlust. Because this is how you define those that fight, die and lose their limbs for you freedom to hate speech.

Have you joined the Westboro Baptist church yet? What are you waiting for? You have so much in common with them.
A
November 2nd, 2007 @ 8:32 pm

Notice how right wingers/conservatives are prone to Collectivization?

Kay clearly state the specific name of the individual she spits on.
A
November 2nd, 2007 @ 8:38 pm

And a funny excuse I notice often:

“OMG! I’ve been in ze military playing wit gun ‘n stuff, for your freedom, respectz me1!!!111″

Wrong.

Because Kay probably didn’t ask you to do so.

A pathetic attempt to create guilt debt, the other person never had a choice to willingly and consciously select.

Any transactions not based on that, is invalid. People go in the military, fine, no one who hasn’t directly asked them to do so, have any obligation to them.
A
November 2nd, 2007 @ 8:43 pm

Finally, the last myth.

Conservatives/ Right Wingers, often see themselves as being “the only” patriotic around, or the only pro freedom etc.

Instead, they are seen as deluded fools, desecrating America and the western values, from the OTHER position, who is also patriotic and pro freedom.

Their at tempts to associate others with pro-Saddam notion see me, unrepresented. For all shakes & purposes Saddam was for me just another right winger/ conservative. My beef, when I have one, with the Iraq War is over collateral damage / aka large scale second degree murder, in the pursuit of a criminal. It wouldn’t be acceptable in an American city, it’s not acceptable there.

Fascists/Commies/Theocrats/Saddam/Stalin/PolPot/US right wingers = same camp for me.

vs

Liberals/Libertarians
Bombiran
November 2nd, 2007 @ 8:45 pm

Why is it that when heros die it is the afterbirth slime like Kay that always calls them criminals and cowards. A toilet scrubber and school dropout, Kay, calling a decorated WWII hero who lived to be 92 years old and accomplished more in his life than the toilet scrubber could ever dream of. She will never accomplish anything. She does harm just being alive.
Tusk
November 2nd, 2007 @ 8:46 pm

Let’s try to keep it civil Bombiran, as hard as it is to do with gray matter deficient lefty loons.

It’s really redundant to argue with lefties about WW-2. They will always blame the U.S. for everything and the majority of them haven’t a clue about the history of the war. But, and with a resounding BUT, they seem to love the murderous, so-called revolutionary’s like Pol Pot, Ernest Che Guevara, Fidel Castro, Lenin, Stalin, Marx etc.

It’s American boots on the ground that have saved this world from Totalarian, Facist, Commie dictators.

But let’s not get facts in the way of an ignoramus’s POV. Afterall, that’s why my Dad climbed Pointe Du Hoc and lost half of his left foot, to protect her 1st amendment right which she’s using to the best of her limited ability to destroy the memory of an American Hero.

Life is sweeet in America but it ain’t free baby, It was bought with the lives and blood of American soldiers.
BDC
November 2nd, 2007 @ 8:50 pm

Qute: “BDC, I appreciate your post, but on the torture and starvation of our troops, are you saying itâ€™s only okay if Americans (like Bush is doing now and has for years now) do that to OUR prisoners?”

I am against anyone doing that to any other human being. The point I was making, was that, as unfortunate as it is, the Japanese people in Hiroshima suffered for the actions of people unit Unit 371, etc.

Also I want to highlight the big distinction between WWII and the comflicts going on today…. much different.. thats why I was trying to avoid bringing Bush and Iraq into the conversation about Tibbets and Hiroshima. The context is so different. Thank you for your reply. Cheers.

(please esxcuse typos, wrist problem)
kayinmaine
November 2nd, 2007 @ 8:54 pm

Is it really different, BDC? Some have said Truman ignored the warnings that an attack was coming to the shores of Pearl Harbor. Some like myself also say that George Bush & Dick Cheney ignored the many warnings that an attack was coming too. Why would ignoring attacks like this be a benefit? Well, Truman got to use his new found atomic/nuclear technology on innocent people (got to get into WWII too) and ole George & Dickie got to go to war in Iraq, which is something Dick Cheney and his PNAC especially wanted back in the late 1990’s!

So, there are similarities. Oh yeah….and the propaganda, lies, deceits, and manipulations! Oh yes! That too is the same.
kayinmaine
November 2nd, 2007 @ 8:56 pm

Don’t the reich wingers of our country always blame Clinton for everything, Tusk? Yep!

By the way, we have corporate fascists running our country right now. See? Killing Iraqis hasn’t prevented that at all!
Tusk
November 2nd, 2007 @ 9:00 pm

“Also I want to highlight the big distinction between WWII and the comflicts going on today”

There is no difference! We were attacked on 9/11 and before I go into the details on how the war started which are documented and would be much too hard for you to comprehend…

WE ARE AT WAR!

Whether you think if SH had DMD is now a moot point, It is however imperative that we gain the peace in Iraq and if you don’t agree with that you are morally corrupt and just downright hate America.
Bombiran
November 2nd, 2007 @ 9:01 pm

Tusk, I suppose you are correct but I discovered a long time ago that these leftist wackos do not want a civil discourse or discussion of issues. The are “bomb” throwing loons who only want to start a riot. Take John Aravosis at Americablog. What a pathetic excuse for a man. That ass makes up shit and throws it against a wall in an effort to whip his minions into a hate frenzy against anyone who doesn’t tow their party line. (Much like you see the Iranians whipping themselves into a hate America frenzy). I’m sick of all of them and would welcome a shooting war with these bastards. It is time to shut them down.
SeeMonk
November 2nd, 2007 @ 9:03 pm

A must be the back up Kay called in because she has no valid response to her own poison.

Hey A, can you guess if I am a Lib or a neocon? Can you label me please? Does it help you to label me?

Am I white or black? Would it help both of you if you knew who it was that was defending a man who sacrificed more in a day in 1942 than either of you have in a lifetime?

C’mon guys, label me. Are you going to call me cracker, whitey or would you close your door and whisper nigger at me when you don’t think anyone else can hear you?

Cowards, both of you are cowards.
d
November 2nd, 2007 @ 9:05 pm

Truman wasn’t president when Pearl Harbor was attacked. FDR was. Opinions based on false information are just plain stupid. You got so many facts wrong and to top it off, you say “Spit” on a ex-soldier who has died. He may not have been a great guy by any means and I’m not defending him but this paints all liberals in a very bad light and it is a shame. Shame on you for this Ms Kay.
I hope you are happy making the democrats look bad.
Bombiran
November 2nd, 2007 @ 9:08 pm

Is it really different, BDC? Some have said Truman ignored the warnings that an attack was coming to the shores of Pearl Harbor.

———————-

Here is another “pearl of wisdom” from the highly uneducated toilet scrubber from Maine. Truman ignored warnings of Pearl Harbor? She can’t even tell anyone who was president at that time. Tell us Kay, what date was the attack on Pearl harbor?

This what happens when liberals run schools. No wonder our country is so far behind the rest of the world. I think I saw our toilet scrubber on Jay Leno’s “Street Walking” where he stops people and asks them the most basic of questions only to have the individual embarrass themselves with their stupidty.
Tusk
November 2nd, 2007 @ 9:15 pm

“Donâ€™t the Reich wingers of our country always blame Clinton for everything, Tusk? Yep!”

I didn’t and that makes you intellectually bankrupt. You keep using the term “Reich” wingers. Why do you do that and do you know anything about the 3rd Reich?

If you did you would crawlon your knees and apologize to every Jew on the planet.
ExMIL
November 2nd, 2007 @ 9:20 pm

“Some have said Truman ignored the warnings that an attack was coming to the shores of Pearl Harbor.”

D Says- “Truman wasnâ€™t president when Pearl Harbor was attacked. FDR was. Opinions based on false information are just plain stupid. You got so many facts wrong.”

True, D – very true. Facts are something Kay is is totally ignorant about, yet she never lets he lack of knowledge, history or facts get in the way of her stupidity.

Whoever commented and called Kay, “Loud, just loud” nailed it.

She’s stupid, Loud and ignorant. And she has opinions that aren’t based on any facts or historical information. This is what is called talking out of one’s ass.

Loud and ignorant is no way to go through life, but it fits Kay perfectly.
ExMIL
November 2nd, 2007 @ 9:24 pm

Looks like A Says – #161 – didn’t notice Kay writing about Tibbets (Kay couldn’t even spell his name right, two b’s, one T at the end) “I spit on him.”

Since Kay spits on military members, it is only fair to ask if she spit on:

Her father who allegedly was in the Army
Her brother who allegedly was in the Air Force
Her cousin Scotty was allegedly was in the first Persian Gulf War & todayâ€™s Iraq illegal invasion
Her cousin Phil who allegedly was in the first Persian Gulf War
Her cousin Paula who allegedly is in the Army and is on standby
Her uncle who allegedly was in the Korean War

Do you spit on them too? Since you’re such a loud fan of spitting on the military.

Just wonderin’, I mean, since you’re such a loud and factually challeneged individual.
lostinmaine
November 2nd, 2007 @ 9:24 pm

she’s not going to apologize to anybody for anything….

Just look at her blog….

she’s a proud,loud,boorish,foolish “gurl”

Maine…”the way life should be” !

Up North they call’em “skiddah queens” eh ?
Bombiran
November 2nd, 2007 @ 9:28 pm

She’s so dirty that when she gets into the bath tub she has to take half a dozen lobster pots with her just to catch the crabs as they swim away from her crotch.
moronbush
November 2nd, 2007 @ 9:28 pm

Bombiran, you’re living proof of the existence of a sub spieces,,
Tusk
November 2nd, 2007 @ 9:33 pm

This is quite enough of posting comments on this ineffectual, ignorant, stupid blog.

I almost feel ashamed of myself for doing so but you know how it is, you find yourself posting on some assanine, no talent hacks blog and you spend an hour telling her or them how dumb they are and the attacks go back and fourth and the advent is a Non-sequitur.

So to all you Libbies, Support the troops and live a fruitful life, Thanks to the U.S. Military.
Bombiran
November 2nd, 2007 @ 9:34 pm

Ah, a liberal appears. Not to defend Toilet Scrubber but to attack me. Yes, liberalism is alive and sick.
ExMIL
November 2nd, 2007 @ 9:34 pm

Tusk 173 – Kays is a Jew hater; she’s an anti-Semite. Just in case you didn’t know. She’s written many a post on how much she despises Israel and the Jews. She supports the Taleban and terrorist groups like the PLO, al Qaeda and Hamas. She supports forced clitorectomies for little Arab girls. She supports the stoning of women and young Arabic women. She supports suicide bombers who blow themselves up killing innocent children and bystanders at outdoor markets and coffee shops. She sympathizes with the terrorist’s plight. She doesn’t recognize Israel’s right to exist. Just trying to bring you up to date on how far her hatred for freedom goes.
Bombiran
November 2nd, 2007 @ 9:35 pm

I’m with Tusk … adios shitheads! Hurry up and die!
moronbush
November 2nd, 2007 @ 9:36 pm

thanks for the info ExMil,,all the more reason to love her..
Bombiran
November 2nd, 2007 @ 9:36 pm

shitheads = all the liberals who agree with toilet scrubber.
Thankful
November 2nd, 2007 @ 9:37 pm

Kay,
Of all the things that strike me as sad regarding your comments, I am very sad for your son.

What an embarrassment you are to your family and country!
ExMIL
November 2nd, 2007 @ 9:38 pm

What is a “spieces”, Moronbush?

Is that like a spice, like ginger or cinnamon?

pray tell, genius, what is a sub “spieces”? Since you’re such a superior intellectual…
Tusk
November 2nd, 2007 @ 9:41 pm

Cya on the innernets Bombiran!

My email addy is talon56@gmail.com

Drop me a line and we’ll talk shop.
ExMIL
November 2nd, 2007 @ 9:42 pm

Moronbush = kay posting under an alias.
Bombiran
November 2nd, 2007 @ 9:44 pm

You betcha Tusk .. you’ve been a good combat buddy. Take care …
Tusk
November 2nd, 2007 @ 9:46 pm

^^ Same with you trooper. Keep your Top Notch buddy and we’ll make it through this Horse shit.
anonymous
November 2nd, 2007 @ 9:49 pm

That’s Kay’s usual tactic when people are writing their disgust of her. She begins commenting very supportively of…well, herself! with a different name. She does this all the time at AB.

Don’t anyone think that anything they will say will cause her to have a conscience. Don’t anyone think she is capable of that. She isn’t.

She thrives on every ugly word thrown at her.

She is what she is.
Levi
November 2nd, 2007 @ 9:53 pm

Kay Your a fool, idiot, and simply just an old bitch…
Levi
November 2nd, 2007 @ 9:57 pm

Hey Kay we were at war….war is NOT always wrong. War is necessary against evil. I’m GLAD we dropped the two nukes. It saved American lives and if I had been President I would have ordered the bombs dropped without hesitation.

When you are at war………..SCREW the enemy…..to hell.

Have a Nice Day!!!!!
Darleen
November 2nd, 2007 @ 10:05 pm

I feel sorry for you, Kay. Your moral compass is broken and the hatred and bile you feel for people who have given you the life you live is beyond mere ingratitude.

Paul gave you life, missy. He was a hero in every sense of the word. You poison the air around you.

sad little thing you
Tarriq
November 2nd, 2007 @ 10:18 pm

Kay
please keep your mouth shut! as a woman
your opinion isn’t worth shit! ur husband
needs to beat u better. I ask Allah to
give him the courage to pound your mouth
shut! this infidel pilot had more courage
than u. learn ur place fast or we will teach
it.in 5 years Islam will own the USA & ur
old ass will be in my harem
Tarriq
November 2nd, 2007 @ 10:22 pm

I piss on your Dumb cunt. reich wing. How dumb are u?
get a job and shut ur mouth!
rob
November 2nd, 2007 @ 10:27 pm

ah hero bull shit,,all you ” flag wavers’ need to stop swallowing the crap FOX feeds you and read some history.
The bomb was dropped for a number of reasons,,none of which was to save anyone’s life.

The west didn’t give two hoots about those “little yellow people”,they wanted to study long term affects of radiation, and the U.S wanted to keep the Soviets OUT of Japan.

Top brass in the military did not support dropping either of the bomb.
rob
November 2nd, 2007 @ 10:30 pm

Its odd how all you idiots claim to love America and its liberties,but are the first to condemn any opinion that differs from your.
GO KAY !!!
The Moderate
November 2nd, 2007 @ 10:36 pm

Life is sweet in America but it ainâ€™t free baby, it was bought with the lives and blood of American soldiers.
Tusk,

Iâ€™ll second that. READY, HAND SALUTE!
Chris from Maine
November 2nd, 2007 @ 10:38 pm

wow.. lots of hate on this thread by the right wing commentors. Then again what else is new. All the right wing has left is hate. Hate of muslims, hate of mexicans, hate of Democrats, hate of gays, hate of pretty much anyone other then themselves…

The Republican Party.. the party of hate.
Bombiran
November 2nd, 2007 @ 10:39 pm

Rob = Kay

Edited by Kay:

Wrong again, moron!
rob
November 2nd, 2007 @ 10:40 pm

more bull shit,war has nothing to do with freedom,,,do your home work,,
RightWingKiller
November 2nd, 2007 @ 10:55 pm

Have you ever seen the film footage of the women on Okinawa throwing their children off the cliffs and into the surf because the Americans had landed and the Japanese leadership had taight them that death was better than capture? Hundreds of young bodies being bashed on the rocks and then the mother would leap to her death. And that would be nothing compared to what would have happened after an Allied invasion on the Japanese homeland. Truman was shown the film and it was one of the things that helped him decide to use the bomb. But he did save tens of thousands of American lives and countless Japanese lives. Hirosima and Nagaski were sacrificed to save Tokyo and other cities.
Talk to the Korean women used as sex slaves to he Japanese army or the Chinese civilians who survived Nanking.
Other than the odd criminal act, that we seem to do a fair job of ringing to trial, where are the example of the alledged brutality of American troops? The anti-American press salivates at the thought of the awards they’ll win exposing any American disdeed.
And don’t pretend that the mass media is anything short of an unpaid arm of the DNC. Even a study by Harvard’s Shorenstein Center had to document general media bias in support of Democrats over the GOP. When even Harvard can’t deny it any longer it’s pretty sad, but the Netroots here and on other sites will still cry about Bush’s control of a conservative propaganda machiine. I hope that someday the Right will start to really do the things the Left imagines they do. That’d be so much fun…
d
November 2nd, 2007 @ 10:57 pm

Normally we liberals are able to win our arguments because we have the FACTS on our side and we are able to base our opinions based on those facts. Now we have this idiotic crap and the right wing trolls are able to secure a victory because of it. Defend Kay all you want people. An opinion based on ignorance just makes all of us look stupid. Yes there were alterior motives for dropping the bomb but it is also true that it did help bring the war to a speedy conclusion. After the bombs were dropped there was an attempt by some in the Japanease military who attempted a coup and stop Hirohito from surrendering. They wanted to fight to the death and that’s exactly what they would have done if they succeeded. It would have cost countless lives but you defnders of this drivel can only see the horror of the bombing itself and not see the truth about what it prevented.
For some basic understanding read and learn:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_did_the_US_drop_the_atomic_bombs_on_Japan
USBeast
November 2nd, 2007 @ 11:47 pm

Paul Tibbetts never claimed to be a hero. He was an Army Air Corp pilot doing the job he was ordered to do. He was a soldier doing his duty. He deserves respect.

If you want to damn his commanders, go ahead. If you want to damn war in general, fine and dandy.

Your abuse of him is way out of line.

God bless Paul Tibbetts and all his brothers, past, present and future. May this country always be blessed with those who know what Liberty is, know why it should be defended, and are willing to pay the price to defend it.
Ed Darrell
November 3rd, 2007 @ 12:10 am

I fought for years to get compensation for the U.S. victims of atomic bomb tests. I’ve seen the destruction myself, close up, and I’ve seen the people injured, close up. I’ve wept when they died.

Paul Tibbets was a hero. War is hell, and Tibbets was known as the man who won it for us, and put an end to World War II in the Pacific.

Ending war is noble. Give Tibbets credit for that.
Abe Lincoln
November 3rd, 2007 @ 12:23 am

Cowards are usually the first to speak out(Kay),
Tibbits was a true American Hero who saved 100’s of thousands of lives on both sides by his actions and because his mission was a success. Kay, be a bitter C ant U nderstand N ormal T hinking and get over it, when you die no one will care because you contribute NOTHING to humanity. You will just be worm dirt.
Nab R
November 3rd, 2007 @ 12:24 am

Well I think that, we shouldn’t talk bad of dead people. NO matter what awful things he did while he was alive. He has died, now we should hope that he rests in peace. Because us talking bad things aren’t going to accomplish anything. You should have talked to him while he was alive.

The main thing is, he is dead. Just like we all are going to be one day. And I don’t think we are all angels, we have done horrible things in our life, may be not in a very large scale, but we have; would we want people to bring those up after we die?

Also there could be many different explanations for how he justified his action. May be he went through intense mental trauma, and blocked out the horrors… we will never know.

Who are we to judge?
Ty Harris
November 3rd, 2007 @ 1:09 am

Jesus H. Christ, you’re certainly a hateful person. First of all, in this country policy decisions are made by politicians not soldiers, and that’s the way it SHOULD be, and that’s the way it WAS regarding the decision to drop the bomb. America-as-a-whole chose to put Harry Truman- a DEMOCRAT- in Office via free and fair elections, and he was acting on THE AMERICAN PEOPLE’s behalf when he decided to end the war quickly by using atomic weapons. He, the president, through the power vested in him by THE PEOPLE, made this policy decision- not Tibbets. That’s Point number one that you need to understand. Point number two is that there is a VERY reasonable and viable argument to be made that Truman’s choice saved more lives than it took. Objectively speaking, you need to ask yourself how many people would have been killed if the bomb had not been used – both American and Japanese, and both soldier and civilian- in a conventional ground invasion of the Japan home island. If fewer people were killed by the use of the bomb, than would have otherwise been the case, then isn’t that a good thing? Would you prefer more people dead by a different and more humane method? What the hell difference does it make wether they were vaporized by an atomic flash, or bayonetted in hand-to-hand combat. Dead is dead. Also, your compassion for the japanese victims as opposed to the victims of THEIR attrocities requires some selective memory on your part doesnt it? Japanese conduct in the war, in terms of attrocities, was worse than America’s- and oh-by-the-way let’s not forget who STARTED the war shall we? And if you want to show pictures, in the interest of fairness, please be sure to show some of the survivors of the Battan Death March, and also of the plague victims in occupied China from when the Japanese unleased their biological warfare on totally innocent civilians. You may disagree about how the casualty figures would have stacked up in either scenario- atomic bomb or ground invasion, but surely you must admit – if you are intellectually honest- that there is a least a strong argument to support the opposite of your own opinion on the morality of using the bomb, and that being the case, you must at least admit that both Truman and Tibbets- at a minimum- BELIEVED that they were doing what would end the war in the quickest way possible and save as many lives as possible. That being the case, your hate and abuse is NOT called-for. And if you believe that their actions DID result in fewer overall casualties in the war- as most historians and reasonable people do- then not only did they BELIEVE they were doing the right thing, they actually WERE doing the right thing and you have just spit on the memory of an honest-to-god hero. If you want to have a rational debate about wether a ground invasion of Japan would have been the better course of action, then by all means, present your case- but please leave your personal hatred for a fallen soldier who did what the president asked him to do out of it. It’s very, very ugly what you have said about spitting on the man. Considering the level of mindless and breathtaking hatred you have demonstated in your post, is it any wonder that the man didn’t want a headstone for you and your kind to vandalize? My God, at least have some respect for his service to his country, and for his family please! If I was you, I wouldnt go outside in a thunderstorm for a while, because I believe that you statements are so outrageously disrespectful and wrong that they are literally an affront to God Himself. He is probably just waiting for you to step outside so he can hurl a lightining bolt at you- or better yet, perhaps when somebody YOU love passes away, maybe somebody will make sure you know how it feels when somebody says hateful and cruel things about a departed loved-one on the internet. That would probably be a more fit punishment for you than a well-deserved bolt from heaven. This actually is the second time this week that I have been utterly shocked by the cruel hatred that can be demonstrated by politically motivated idealogues. The first instance was the guy who demonstrates at military funerals and holds up signs saying that “God hates fags”, and “God loves dead marines” while grieving families are trying to bury their sons. And now this… Enough is enough. You lunatics need to tone down your shit. This has gone far enough. I know you are frustrated that so many people dont take you seriously, and that this is just your childish way of lashing out and trying to get attention, but you’ve gone too far here, and you are only marginalizing yourself further by the tacky manner in which you conduct yourself. While I respect your right to have political opinions , and to express them, you seriously need to learn when it is appropriate to do so, and how to at least show respect for others who hold different viewpoints. Certainly the death of a veteran who served his country as best he could, is not an appropriate time for you to make cruel and hateful personal attacks. If you want to be taken seriously, then make a rational fact-based argument and show some goddamned respect for the families of the deceased. I recently lost my own dad, and I can tell you that if those nutjobs from kansas had shown up at my dad’s memorial service with their “God hates Fags” signs, or you had shown up and made comments about spitting on his grave because of your stupid political opinions, I would be in prison right now for what I would have certainly done to either of you. Put yourself in the greiving family’s shoes next time before you make stupid fucking posts like this one.
Towerclimber37
November 3rd, 2007 @ 1:39 am

Wow! that last post was pretty long! but right on the money!

As I read that you say war is wrong, yet you’re willing to spit on someones’ grave. This is from hate.
Isn’t that contradictory?
perhaps you would like to see what the Japanese thought of anyone NOT Japanese, during the 2nd world war.

google “the rape of Nanking”

the japanese killed (and this is a conservative estimate) around 150,000 civilians when they entered and occupied the Chinese city of Nanking. If it were me, I would have dropped the bomb too.

you’re welcome to express your views. That’s what I fought for when I was in the army but I can assure you, if you ever spit on me, I’d turn your teeth into chicklets.
It might seem “cool” for you to express your hatred by wishing to or actually hurting others. I assure you its not. You’re ignorant of both history and any measure of human compassion.
I suggest you seek help with that anger issue that you have. You’ll be better for it, really!
Towerclimber37
November 3rd, 2007 @ 1:52 am

by the way, we attacked Iraq when they had the 3rd largest military force in the world…get yer facts straight.
BJO
November 3rd, 2007 @ 2:11 am

Kay,
Not only are you factually incorrect, you are a hypocrite. You are completely lacking in rational faculties, and you fail to comprehend that at some times, war is unavoidable. You have the luxury of making your ignorant points because you have had the luxury of never having to defend your freedoms. You seem to actually believe that if we had no military, or at least a willingness to use it, that people would leave us, and our freedoms alone here in the States.

You are wrong on Tibbets. You are also ignorant about the sheer number of real atrocities the Japanese committed in WW2. The war did come to a close because of the mission he flew, like it or not. You ma’am, are the coward.

As for the war in Iraq, you’re completely wrong again. Iraq was placing money back into its military accounts, Saddam was acruing weapons thanks to the UN and the oil for food slush fund that he had going with his friends in France, Russia and Germany. Play ignorant about WMD’s but it will only display your ignorance. WMD’s are not stored in nice neat packages, marked “WMD”. They are stored in parts because they tend to be biological, which means when constituted, they need to be used. Same with chemical weapons. That means the parts, components, ingredients, etc are stored seperately. The “stuff” that makes up WMD’s were found all over the place. But to you with an agenda such as yours, you choose to ignore that reality. Or it doesn’t fit your version of the facts.

As for the person that says that liberals typically have the “facts” on your side, please take a rational look at that statement. While a well worded post, it is “factually”, and legalistically untrue. Just as it would be if any repub said that the “fact” are always on their side. Each side has their “facts”. The only reality in our country today is that the democracts and the liberals that swirl around that toilet bowl are socialists, republicans are socialist-lite. It used to be simple, dems = bigger government, repubs = limited gov. Now both parties want to create a socialist nanny state.

And with whiny cowards like this “kay”, we’re devolving from a free country into a weak group of ninnies, who prefer security and dependence, as opposed to individualism, rational thought and freedom. Funny, people like Kay cry that their civil rights are being violated. But they feel no hypocrisy when they turn on people who disagree with them.

Grow up lady, there’s a real world out there. Be thankful that there are guys on the wall giving you the ability to be such an ignorant twit.
Talon
November 3rd, 2007 @ 2:40 am

“People sleep peaceably in their beds at night ONLY because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.”

Live it, learn it, you ignorant twit.
Tony Montana
November 3rd, 2007 @ 2:58 am

You sick coward. Nothing but a traitor! Traitors like you turn my stomach…sick bitch!
d
November 3rd, 2007 @ 3:01 am

BJO, credit where credit is due.
When I made my statement about we liberals having the FACTS on our side, I said that from the point of view from hanging out at progressive/liberal blogs. On such blogs, from time to time trolls come around (most often they are conservative trolls naturally) and they are little more than sport. Repeating lies of this current administration, the Rush Limbaughs and such etc. If you read this entire thread, you can see some of them as they came over from freerepublic. A site for idiots, by idiots. LGF too.
Kay’s post here shows that idiocy exists on both sides of the spectrum. She is not representative of the liberal ideaology!
I will take exception to you on this: Facts – something that actually exists; reality; truth (I got that on the first online dictionary I could find). Facts are NOT something that both sides have that are uniquely their own. Sometimes the facts don’t always fit our different ideaologies but they are facts nonetheless. Appropriate of you to use quotation marks when you say “facts” because what you are really saying is “spin” or “misinformation”. Facts are facts and they don’t give a rat’s ass about politics. That being said, and I’m not going to get into it about the “stuff” being found all over the place in Iraq because those are “facts” not facts, this post does show an unbelievable lack of facts or understanding or perspective. What it goes to show is that extremism in whatever form it may take is the true enemy of reason, rationality and human decency. It is this type of callous and vicious behavior that keeps humanity divided and leads us to hatred, bigotry, fear and even war itself. As I said above, shame on Kay for writing this. It is disgusting and beyond the pale.

Ty Harris, for the most part, well put. Although it might be easier to read if you used a little thing called paragraghs. The little enter button on your keyboard might help. Yes, I’m a smartass.
STORM
November 3rd, 2007 @ 3:26 am

If This is what the lefties have to offer in order to gain a stronghold on the 2008 elections you are all doomed.

Do you actually think that reasonable folks (Centrist Democrats) are going to put up with the rantings of a mentally ill blogger like her?

This women has done more harm to the Democrats than Hanoi Jane Fonda, Ed Asner and all the Hollyweird Commies combined.

Thanks for the help Kay!
Son of a Pig and a Monkey
November 3rd, 2007 @ 6:00 am

K*nt-in-Maine

You are beneath contempt and your facile comments do not merit rebuttal. Just fuck off and die (and good luck making it to 92 with the sick bile that pollutes you)
Randy
November 3rd, 2007 @ 6:45 am

I wouldn’t mind losing a foot long as I could break it off in Paul Tibbets’ ass.

Republican nazis (that’s an oxymoron, I know) never mean what they say:
Bombiran Says:
November 1st, 2007 at 8:57 pm

Donâ€™t worry about banning me you fucked-up animal, you make me sick. I wonâ€™t be back.

So,… how many comments did that cheetos-munching cretin post after he promised to leave?

By the way, the commenter posting as “D” and clutching his pearls over all this is “Insomniac Dave” on another blog.

Karol is displeased as well. Why am I not shocked? I don’t think Gregory has chimed in yet but who cares if he does?

Good work, Kay. I’m sure all these “heroes” are posting comments from Iraq and Afghanistan where they’re risking their lives protecting your right of free speech (as long as what you say agrees with their world opinion).

Remember: you don’t have the right of free speech if you disagree with the RepubliCON groupthink. “You’re either with us or against us,” says the Coward In Chief, Mr. Boosh.
kayinmaine
November 3rd, 2007 @ 8:17 am

Well, I woke up this morning and didn’t read one neocon comment saying they want peace in the world and a nuclear free world! Oh well. I guess you jackasses can’t complain if Iran gets the bomb 10 years from now, because you guys are all for it! Nice.

Nice going mentally ill reich wing Sen. Susan Collins & Bush supporters!

By the way “D”, LIBERALS ARE AGAINST WAR AND NUKES, and you call yourself a “liberal”? Bah hahahahahaha! Let me guess…another fake liberal like Karol & GL? I bet!

After you neocons are done masturbating each other, let’s talk about what heroism really is! Thanks jackasses.
kayinmaine
November 3rd, 2007 @ 8:19 am

“Funny, people like Kay cry that their civil rights are being violated. But they feel no hypocrisy when they turn on people who disagree with them.” ~ Reich Wing Nutcase

Huh? Has any of the neocons been banned on this thread? Have any of you had trouble posting on here? And what about you? You don’t agree with me so you toxicfy this post by trying to convince me of your position! I’m not budging. I have my opinion and you asswipes have yours. You’re free to spew how much you love nuclear bombs and I look forward to you backing Iran now! Traitors.
kayinmaine
November 3rd, 2007 @ 8:27 am

“# Towerclimber37 Says:
November 3rd, 2007 at 1:52 am e

by the way, we attacked Iraq when they had the 3rd largest military force in the worldâ€¦get yer facts straight.”

You neocons just soak up the propaganda like a sponge! The only part of Saddam’s military that was viable was his Republican Guard. His “army” was quickly disbanded by Paul Bremer (first biggest mistake in George’s illegal occupation). Their military equipment was a joke too. THEY WERE DEFENSELESS AGAINST US WHEN WE ATTACKED THEM, but you neocons ate it up that Saddam had the power to destroy America. Fools you are!
kayinmaine
November 3rd, 2007 @ 8:32 am

If dropping nuclear bombs is so heroic and fair, how come George Bush hasn’t used them in Iraq to “stop the killings”? Oh that’s right! The world was horrified by what the Americans had done in WWII! There is no glory & heroism in using these bombs. It sickens the earth too. Is that what you neocons long for? Celebrating people being incinerated in a nanosecond and then having to live with the after affects of this kind of wmd? I don’t! If you hadn’t noticed, cancer became very prominent after WWII. The fallout from these bombs is long lasting. How can you asswipes celebrate it!!!!!
Brandon
November 3rd, 2007 @ 10:03 am

Kay – let me guess, when the Japanese attacked us by the strike at Pearl Harbor, did we just misunderstand them? Was Hitler’s genocide misunderstood too? Do you question if the holocaust even happened?

You would have America surrender and be defeated rather than fight to win (which unfortunately we aren’t doing in the war with islamo-fascism). A quick end to a war is much preferable than a long drawn out war. Two nuclear bombs ended our war with Japan (who attacked us first) rather than costing thousands more casualties. Heck we even went in and rebuilt Japan to become a leading nation, and Germany too for that matter. You should fight a war to WIN, because as the Romans said “vae victis” – woe to the conquered. I don’t want America to lose (again, like in Vietnam, no thanks to the liberal scumbags who want to bring down this nation).
The Moderate
November 3rd, 2007 @ 10:06 am

Think Iâ€™ll move a bit more to the RIGHT for safety sake after this disgraceful post!
d
November 3rd, 2007 @ 10:30 am

I just hope for the sake of Paul Allen that you do not actually work for his campaign. I don’t know if you do or not but if you do, you have done him a great disservice. If the Susie C, campaign gets wind of you “spitting” on a det vet and can tie you to the Allen campaign, think they will use it against him? Didn’t something like that happen to bloggers that worked for Edwards saying something that pissed off the Catholics? Pandagon I believe. Edwards had to go on the defensive and fire those bloggers.

Opinions are wonderful. Everyone should have at least one (many aren’t capable of forming their own) but that doesn’t mean it is wise to utter each and every one that crosses your mind. Especially when they come from such ignorance of history and fact.
How many times have you criticized right wingers for the stupid things they say? Pretty damn often. They open their mouths without thinking and they make themselves an easy target. Now you have made yourself an easy target as well as those you associate with. It’s called guilt by association. It’s unfair to those who didn’t say this, but the right wing smear machine is excellent at taking one stupid remark and paiting all on the left with one broad brush.
All the freepers and other right wingers can go fuck themselves but Kay, you have played right into their hands. They are delighted by this post because they like the ammunition it gives them.
There is a filter between brain and fingers called discretion. Please turn that filter on. If you truly want to support democrats you can much better do that by NOT feeding the republicans that what they need to marginalize us. It is their favorite tactic.

In short, what you’ve done here is go right up to the republicans and say “Here is a stick. Please beat me and all other democrats over the head with it.”
kayinmaine
November 3rd, 2007 @ 11:30 am

“D” who says he/she is a “true liberal” is telling me that I need to keep my mouth shut and should not use my freedom of speech!

Traitor. Move over asshole and let the real liberals/progressives lead! You WATBs fake liberals/democrats can suck your asses. Get it?

I’m not fooled by you at all. I’ve not played into anyone’s hands. I read the article of Paul Tibbetts’ death and did a post on it. Seems the freepers, neo-liberals, Kay haters, and those who love war, nukes, and trashing the Bill of Rights are the ones who have fallen into my “trap”, you know, the “trap” which was expressing my own opinion (which is one opinion out of 300 million Americans) and now you’re all on record on how you REALLY feel.

Ha ha.

My conscience is clean and calm. Yours? Cloudy & muddy! You all have a lot of explaining to do now….especially you “Insomniac Dave” or “D”….I’ll make sure I point out that you love nukes and support Iran having them and that you said you represent how liberals & progressives think! Can’t wait. Should be fun.
d
November 3rd, 2007 @ 11:58 am

Where exactly did I tell you to keep your mouth shut? I didn’t! I advised you to use the filter of discretion before you say something so patently stupid!
Move over and let the real liberals lead?! Are you fucking serious?!? With “leaders” like you, the republicans won’t have to do a goddamn thing and they will sweep every election from here on. Is that what you want? To offend every decent person in this country so much that they will flock to the other side to get away from the likes of you. GODDAMN! That is the most delusional tripe you have stated yet. And that says something.

Now as to this bald face lie that I said any damn thing about loving nukes or wanting Iran to have nukes…Are you hallucinating words that aren’t there? Please, try and point out where I said that so people can see what a delusional liar you are.
I, in the mean time will wait for when you tell others who don’t toe YOUR beliefs to STFU (which you have done) and then point to this on how you are such a big defender of freedom of speech! Hypocrite.

If you do not see how conjuring up the image of spitting on a soldier is damaging to the democratic party then you are dumber than a box of rocks. Yes, the stupid have freedom of speech but the rest of us have the right to call you on your stupidity. It’s a two way street. Something a dead-ender like yourself wouldn’t understand.

PS: I’m sure your “conscience” is clean. It’s hard to dirty up something that doesn’t exist.
Frank Lobo
November 3rd, 2007 @ 11:58 am

The irony of calling Paul Tibbets a “coward” is that Tibbets was assigned the Hiroshima mission in great part because he was considered the finest bomber pilot in the US Army Air Force. He piloted the lead B-17 in the first daylight bombing raid by an American squadron over Nazi occupied Europe in Aug. 1942 and later flew combat in the Mediterranean theater of operations. He personally shuttled Gen. Eisenhower from England to Gibralter prior to Operation Torch, the Allied invasion of North Africa.

Tibbets’ commendations:

* Distinguished Service Cross
* Distinguished Flying Cross
* Air Medal
* Purple Heart
* Legion of Merit
* Commendation Medal
* European-African-Middle Eastern Campaign Medal
* Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal
* American Defense Service Medal
* American Campaign Medal
* World War II Victory Medal

My grandfather was a Marine killed on a beach in the South Pacific. Tens of thousands–if not hundreds of thousands–of his comrades would have been killed in the invasion of the Japanese home island had we not dropped the Atomic bombs.

My other grandfather, like Tibbetts, was a pilot in WWII. Had the bomb not been dropped, I might have lost him as well.
d
November 3rd, 2007 @ 12:03 pm

Doing something so incredibly damaging to democrats and then calling someone else a traitor to democrats.
I’ll give you this Kay, you got unmitigated gall.

You are just like Larry Craig bashing gays and then toe-tapping in the mens room.
RightWingKiller
November 3rd, 2007 @ 12:45 pm

I have to say that’s it’s been at least 40 years since a Democrat or a Liberal (I go back to the day when the two were NOT interchangeable)have any relationship with “facts”. Today’s Dems judge everything they do on the intent and never on what the real effects and outcome may be. There were far more Americans attacked and killed by the Government under Bill Clinton than ever under Bush. The biggest threat of BUsh’s re-energized Executive branch is that it may end up in the hands of Hitlery who sees Traditional American values as her #1 enemy.
d
November 3rd, 2007 @ 12:52 pm

Now you see that Kay? Look at rightwingkillers idiocy for a moment and think. This is what the right wing is all about! The more they write and/or say, the dumber they look. Being an idiot yourself only serves to make the left as bad as the right!
Speak all you want but please think about what you say first. Jesus H. Christ already!
kayinmaine
November 3rd, 2007 @ 12:57 pm

According to RightWingKiller, republicans are where the facts begin. Oh please!

George Bush & Dick Cheney ignored the warnings that an attack was going to hit our nation (did Truman ignore his warnings too to get what he wanted to? Could be). 3,000 Americans died on 9/11 and close to 4,000 American soldiers have died in Iraq. Where is the outrage against George Bush’s genocide in Iraq? He seems to be ignoring it!

I want Kucinich, Dodd, or Gravel. Hillary, Obama, & Edwards will be more of the same (reich wing bullshit) and you won’t find me supporting any of them even if they’re on the ballot in 2008! Get it?

Oh, and “D”? Here’s what you said to me: “As I said above, shame on Kay for writing this. It is disgusting and beyond the pale.”

Fuck off “D”! You can’t say you’re a liberal or a progressive and then shoot me down for HAVING MY OWN FUCKING OPINION! Let me guess…you also condemned Moveon.org recently too right along with Nancy Pelosi and the republicans? If so, shame on you. Maybe your type of liberal/progressive should shut up! Ever think of that? You’re hurting yourself by banning with the reich wingers of this country AGAINST ONE LIBERAL ON THE INTERNET! You’re making yourself look like a jackboot licker for telling me that you agree with fascism, but spit on the Bill of Rights.

You’re the traitor and for that…..Free Republic, Little Green Footballs, and Redstate love you! I’m happy to not be a part of your little group.

I remain steadfast in my opinion of Paul Tibbetts: he is not a hero. He’s a schmuck. The End.
kayinmaine
November 3rd, 2007 @ 12:58 pm

D, you look stupid too, but you don’t see it because your hate for me is too powerful. Fuck off. (now go cry to the neo-liberals that Kay was so mean to you. Oh booo hoooo hooooooooooooo)
kayinmaine
November 3rd, 2007 @ 1:01 pm

I also spit on the soldiers who raped the 14 year old Iraqi girl! That doesn’t mean that I’m spitting on every fucking soldier in the American military since the 1700’s for crying out loud! Get over yourselves, you fucking assholes!
KiP
November 3rd, 2007 @ 1:01 pm

Yeah, this post is too much, Kay. I’ve come to you blog several times a week, but no more. Off my Favorites list it goes.

Wow, such histrionics. And blind hatred. Yuck, how ugly. Who are you to judge?

Edited by Kay:

Bubbye! Don’t care if you leave. I will continue to state my opinions on here regardless. Sucks that you have no power over me and that your leaving isn’t going to put an end to my blog! LOL

Where do I find these readers? I want better, more open-minded ones! Thanks.
Frank Lobo
November 3rd, 2007 @ 1:04 pm

I’m sorry I tried to engage in intellegent, meaningful dialouge with you, Kay… you’re just a self-absorbed ass.
An ugly, fat-faced, self-absorbed ass.

Edited by Kay:

I’m self-absorbed? Who is here on my blog today trying to convince of their opinion and stance on this? *passing a mirror to you to see the answer*

If you don’t like my opinion, don’t be so self-centered to think that you have the power over me to change mine! You don’t, Mr. Narcissist. Get it?
Anonymous
November 3rd, 2007 @ 1:06 pm

Amazing how the misinformation and lies surrounding the nuclear bombing of Japan have taken such a strong hold in America.

This highly thought out, humanitarian exercise in restraint and the unique solution to a future fraught with certain deaths in the millions…is one of the most significant solutions to war ever applied.

Unfortunately we did not follow through which has caused untold misery that carries into todays world.

The man was not so much a hero as a willing subject of the military, lightly informed and morally certain of his superiors knowledge(s)

owlafaye
owlafaye
November 3rd, 2007 @ 1:08 pm

Amazing how the misinformation and lies surrounding the nuclear bombing of Japan have taken such a strong hold in America.

This highly thought out, humanitarian exercise in restraint and the unique solution to a future fraught with certain deaths in the millions…is one of the most significant solutions to war ever applied.

Unfortunately we did not follow through which has caused untold misery that carries into todays world.

The man was not so much a hero as a willing subject of the military, lightly informed and morally certain of his superiors knowledge(s)

owlafaye
d
November 3rd, 2007 @ 1:14 pm

I love and wholeheartedly support MoveOn.org. Did I ever say different? Nope! You are just imagining things aren’t you?
Thank you for your blatant hypocrisy in telling me I should maybe shut up while crying like a little baby about others telling you to shut up. Something I never did. Telling you you should be ashamed of yourself for writing this disgusting and stupid post is criticism for what you have written. Comparing the rapists of that girl to Tibbets is beyond dumb. Freedom of speech is a two way street. You say something stupid and offensive you DESERVE to have your shit thrown back in your face.
By the way, I do NOT support the actions of Pelosi in regards to MoveOn nor do I support the cave-in dems on Mukasey. Of course such things don’t matter to someone so blinded by hate as to see the world through such fogged glasses as you.
As for progressives, with friends like you, they don’t need enemies. Yeah, I saw your little rant about how you support progressives. Great fucking job in that. Being associated with the likes of you will keep us outside looking in when it comes to making a difference in this country.
owlafaye
November 3rd, 2007 @ 1:15 pm

Kayinmaine is losing this argument BIG TIME Mostly alone and simply vaccuous and rattlebrained as a basketball, she plods on, young, uninformed, irrational and apparently asleep during history class. She should get back to her high school class and do some outside reading before putting in a claim for her diploma.

Fear and hate are the product of ignorance…excellent example in Kayinmaine

owlafaye
Anonymous
November 3rd, 2007 @ 2:02 pm

while all of u piss ants sleep comfortably in your warm beds tonight, think about what the states would be like if we had been invaded, if we had not put a stop to japans military r&d you wouldn’t be here to talk so much bs and what about pearl harbor so soon we forget why we did what we had to do. do a little more research before you bastardize a man chosen to do something no one else was willing to. he didn’t just drop it he also developed the flight plan to do it safely. the world would be a lot different today if it wasn’t for men like paul through out history. and on a personal note he wasn’t proud of killing all those people he was proud of protecting u pricks from further harm, which he would now probably regret.i’m not justifying the horrifying turmoil we caused but the but the injustices we may have prevented and if u can conceive any better way of preventing the continuance of a world war with japan without all the death please make it known but this wasn’t a Freemason controlled bush this was Roosevelt one of the greatest leaders this country has ever seen whom personally requested that paul make the flight. think about your computer your i pods, your car, your phones, your loved ones and yourselves unfortunately and what would be different if these events had not taken place. Thank u for your time and god bless. L,D,Tibbets
kayinmaine
November 3rd, 2007 @ 2:07 pm

“Fear and hate are the product of ignorance”

…you say this, and yet, you and your cronies above have threatened to kill me and other lovely crap. Sorry hypocrite! Don’t judge me until you’ve taken a look at your own actions.

That’s right D! Freedom of speech is a two-way street, so stop fucking telling me I’m wrong and how I should run my blog! I will write about whatever I fucking want to and if you don’t fucking like it, then leave! That’s all. Leave and don’t come back. Get it moron?

Why is it I do not believe that “L,D,Tibbets” is not a family member? And if this person truly is, why hide behind “anonymous”? Another coward? Hey, could be!
kayinmaine
November 3rd, 2007 @ 2:11 pm

“Amazing how the misinformation and lies surrounding the nuclear bombing of Japan have taken such a strong hold in America.”

Hey, congratulations on being the one who believes the propaganda spewed by your government! I don’t happen to believe any of it and question authority. You? You’re a sheep. Many reich wingers (in response to people like myself who believe that George Bush & Dick Cheney ignored the warnings prior to 9/11) have said that Truman did the same thing! Yep, he wanted to get involved and allowed our nation to be attacked, so he could. Even Kennedy’s guys were going after the Cubans with their own kind of propaganda! Buy hey, if you believe what your government tells you, than good for you. I’d rather be cautious.
anonymous
November 3rd, 2007 @ 2:23 pm

Truman was not president when Pearl Harbor was attacked.

I know you are not capable of rational thinking, that your intelligence is borderline at best, that you see yourself in COMPLETELY UNREALISTIC grandiose ego-driven ways, that you are blind to the actions of congressional Democrats, that you have a cold black and twisted heart, that you are happiest when causing harm to others, but please try to get this one fact straight.

Pearl Harbor was attacked during FDR’s administration.
d
November 3rd, 2007 @ 2:23 pm

You have the freedom to be an ignorant moron and say whatever you want based on your ignorance. You win on that one. For a moment I thought you actually cared about getting progressive democrats into office and turning the tide against the Bush Junta. How wrong I was!
No one who truly wanted to see a brighter and more peaceful future for this country would make it so hard by giving the evil ones EXACTLY what they need to spin and lie in order to paint all liberal/progressives as hateful, ignorant lunatics. All they have to do is point to a post like this and say “See! Look at what the loony left is saying now! They hate America! They hate the troops!” Anyone who might be wavering in their support for republicans and most independants or other moderates would see this and go right back to voting for whatever republican is on the ballot.
This kind of irresponsible and ignorant “free speech” is the last thing progressives need. Thank you for making it that much harder for us to take our country back. I hope Susan Collie doesn’t see this. She’ll get re-elected for sure.
d
November 3rd, 2007 @ 2:28 pm

Pearl Harbor – 1941
FDR as president – 1932-1944
Truman as president – 1944-1952

Opinions based on ignorance Kay. That’s all you got here. What’s funny is that even though you have been corrected repeatedly on that simple mistake, you still keep spouting on and on repeating it. Kinda like Cheney does with WMDs in Iraq. Don’t let facts get in your way Kay.

KayinMaine = Dick Cheney’s wet dream.
Murph
November 3rd, 2007 @ 2:35 pm

^^ Do you (KAY) have a drug or alcohol problem? You rant on like a junkie in need of a fix..

A hypo full of shot nerves if you will. Did the doctor spank your mother when you were born?
kayinmaine
November 3rd, 2007 @ 2:45 pm

Pearl Harbor – 1941
FDR as president – 1932-1944
Truman as president – 1944-1952

Okay, you win. I was wrong on that. My opinion of Paul Tibbetts still stands!

Make sure you focus on spelling mistakes too! That’s always a good defense against me to.

I’m an alcoholic & drug addict because I don’t agree with the reich wingers of America….America’s Nazi/Taliban Party? LOL *rolling eyes*
kayinmaine
November 3rd, 2007 @ 2:46 pm

Have I mentioned that I also spit on George Bush, Dick Cheney and the whole GOP? No? Well, I do! Now, go cry and beat yourselves over that one too! LOL
kayinmaine
November 3rd, 2007 @ 2:48 pm

“KayinMaine = Dick Cheneyâ€™s wet dream.”

Actually D, Dick Cheney would like you better because you’re going after an American for using her right to free speech and to have her own opinions about topics or people in this country. He’d love you! Fascists, like Hitler, went way out of their way to squash the voice of dissent on those who didn’t tow THEIR line.

I will not submit to you or Dick Cheney’s demands. Ha ha.

My opinion and conclusion of Paul Tibbetts still stands! Isn’t that something?
d
November 3rd, 2007 @ 2:51 pm

Looking through your site, I see you are a Red Sox fan. Okay, perhaps this will get through to you.

When a member of a team does something that harms said team, it is up to that player’s team mates to try and sit that player down and tell them what they are doing is harmful. Hopefully that player will understand and correct his behavior. If not, that player often ends up getting traded.

With that in mind:

ATTENTION ALL RIGHT WINGERS!

We here on the progressive team would like to propose a trade. We’ll take any chin-dribbling loser you got. Wait, that’s all of you. Anyway, we offer you this trade. You take KayinMaine as one of your own and we’ll take whatever knuckle-dragging idiot you care to send us. In other words any single one of you. How about it?
SeeMonk
November 3rd, 2007 @ 3:28 pm

Kay is so far left, she may be right. You are a homophobe, aren’t you. I just looked through some of your writing, and it is not beyond you to bash a homo sexual even if he/she is scared to come out of the closet and gets caught. Does that mean you have varying levels of tolerance for pet causes? What will you do when the man/woman you vote for lets you down which they must all do eventually. I am glad I am not around when things don’t go your way. DFACS must have your number on speed dial.
Murph
November 3rd, 2007 @ 4:05 pm

Careful SeeMonk. KrazyKay will expose your email and IP addy to teh wurld if you upset her!

Ewwwwwscary!
LesserEvil
November 3rd, 2007 @ 4:10 pm

â€œDuring my visit to Japan, I met Japanese who( unlike Soji) had lived through the war years. They shocked me when they offered me their opinion that the atomic bomb had been necessary to end the war, that the military government would have urged them to mass suicide if the conflagration of Hiroshima hadnâ€™t happened.â€

(Steinman, Louise, The Souvenir: A daughter discusses her fatherâ€™s war, Algonquin Books, of Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill, 2001, page 140)

Also note the fight-to-the-last-man mentality in operation at Iwo Jima, etc. in the WW2 Japanese Armed Forces, before you dismiss this.

My opinion and conclusion of Paul Tibbetts still stands! Isnâ€™t that something?

When the evidence contradicts your opinion, you ignore the evidence. That IS something, but not necessarily something positive.

I gained Conscientious Objector (1-O) status during the Vietnam War. The evidence of genocide in Cambodia changed my viewpoint about war. To stand on the sidelines while genocide is being committed, I decided, was a cop-out.
Dumbass Smears American Hero « Dj Konservo
November 3rd, 2007 @ 4:41 pm

[...] This dumb cunt, is a prime example, as she writes “Paul Tibbetts died a coward today at the age ofÂ 92â€¦ I spit on him.” [...]
Timothy H W
November 3rd, 2007 @ 5:21 pm

Kay; I’ll refrain from calling you names, since most have been applied to you and your mean and nasty – not to mention ignorant – post demeaning Tibbits. I’d ask how you managed to avoid learning history – Harry Truman wasn’t even vice president when Pearl Harbor was hit by the Japanese – but I’m afraid it’s just that you received a modern American education… history just isn’t relevent, unless it’s about how America was/is racist, evil, and controlled by the Bavarian Illumaniti.

Before you blow a gasket, I’m not one of your fearsome Reich-wingers. I don’t like or trust Democrats, and I don’t trust Republicans. Hell, I don’t care for the Libertarian Party types, either. But you, and those like you – hopefully a very small number – just plain disgust me.

Have a miserable life…
lostinmaine
November 3rd, 2007 @ 5:31 pm

unfortunately,this bears repeating;
The thing that a fool loves most,is the sound of their own voice.

Nobody’s trying to change your mind,Kay.

We’re just amazed that you think your opinion is “normal”….

You’re a lot like all those hollywood “stars” that seem to think
their opinion needs to be heard just because they have a camera
pointed at them…
E.B. Juan
November 3rd, 2007 @ 7:03 pm

Sadly Kay only exists because the “trolls” feed her. Oh, the irony.

I wonder what would happen to her if suddenly, her pool of posters suddenly dried up. Mental breakdown?

Breaking my promise to never post here again, may I explain why I felt compelled to say:

If nothing else, I have learned this — to be VERY careful about who I hire to clean my home. In fact, it would be better to just go back to doing it myself. Then I wouldn’t have to worry about a domestic using my computer to transmit HATE on my PC and thus setting me up for future woes with Homeland Security.

Now that I’ve thought about it, I am firing everybody.
UH
November 3rd, 2007 @ 7:42 pm

Woof! Man, have you got a boatload here, today, Kay! I felt a tremor in the ‘troll force’ and figured they must have all congregated somewhere… and here they are!

One comment I’ve noticed above all others is a “lack of historical understanding” and that is true… I haven’t seen a true rendition of history yet!

Except… for one commenter mentioning the “Bavarian Illuminati.” That piqued my interest!

I don’t get involved in partisan politics for the simple but largely unknown reason that they are merely a distraction provided to the masses to keep them busy fighting among themselves while the “establishment” a.k.a. the “hidden government” determines policy and acts upon it, regardless of what is voted upon in the sham elections.

This makes it easy to get to the bottom of issues, not having a political label to kowtow to. I am independent in every sense of the term… no political affiliations, whatsoever.

The war with Japan was not instigated by any ’sneak’ attack on Pearl Harbor. The attack was merely the culmination of political and economic atrocities perpetrated upon a country that initially resisted all attempts to ally her with other axis powers under the influence of the Nazis. Japan was coerced by an administration totally under the control of big finance and industry to do what any proud nation would do having to suffer one socially stigma, economic embargo, too many.

From 1931 to 1939, Americans didnâ€™t give a rats ass about the Asian conflict, in fact they pretty much portrayed the Japanese in a positive light especially in their cause against Communism. After all, they had a massive trade surplus with them, not China. But then FDR showed himself to be at least as two-faced as Hitler. As soon as Britain and Germany went to war, he did a complete 180 degree about face on the issue. The hope was that if America could provoke and goad Japan into war with them, that the patriotic uproar might finally permit FDR to overcome the isolationists in Congress and the Senate and use the momentum to join the war on Britainâ€™s side in Europe as well.

It started with racist policies here at home; we treated the Japanese, Korean and Taiwanese immigrants and foreign workers like slaves, we took away their rights. Then we started making unreasonable demands. We told them to get out of Vichy French Indo-china, even though the Vichy government itself never did. When they agreed to this by a certain date, we pushed up the deadline to an impossible date. From then on, we kept making demands on them, including China and even Manchukuo which China legally signed away rights to them. Every time the Japanese would agree to our demands, we would change our minds and add more. Eventually the Japanese could lose no more â€˜faceâ€™ as the Asians call it and would react. But they were annoyingly patient and FDR couldnâ€™t wait. So, we illegally froze their assets not only in the US but internationally. We not only embargoed our steel and oil against them knowing it would destroy their economy, but we forced other nations, even neutrals to do the same thing. This actually brought the militarists to power as the â€˜peace partyâ€™ was obviously destroying Japan. We, the US, literally put the militarists and right wing in power. We now know that we did this deliberately.

Arrogant presumption estimates that any foreign campaign is justified by wrongdoings against America. Few know what REALLY goes on behind the scenes. There is a clique of power-brokers that run the US Government AND all high-level political figures of BOTH parties! That power was transferred from “We The People” to the faceless oligarchy generations ago.

To go into this in it’s entirety here would be impossible, and probably pointless, given the depth of programming the public has received and accepted.

Tibbets a hero? I respect anyone who serves out of obligation to ‘king and country’ but whether those that weren’t even alive at the time have the authority to label anyone else a traitor for having a negative opinion about his mission, or it’s validity in terms of the real facts behind the conflict, is another question.

If he was a hero, he never acknowledged it. And his ’cause’ surely wasn’t worthy of his sacrifice, to be sure!
anonymous
November 3rd, 2007 @ 7:55 pm

E.B.

Kay is not capable of writing informed, thoughtful posts so she reverts to ugliness both in selection and presentation. It’s the only way she can get the attention she craves.

She has only a couple of supporters…why, gawd only knows except that like attracts like.

The best way to protest against her is to cease commenting on any of her posts.

And with this last comment I take my own advice.
Fredrick Jagel
November 3rd, 2007 @ 8:42 pm

You’re an asshole. What about bombing a sleeping naval base WHILE you are still in peace negotiations. What about a people who literally RAPED Nanking, China before 1941. Brutal, brutal people those Japs. Taking Chinese infants from their mother’s arms-tossing them into the air and catching them by piercing their tiny bodies on the ends of their bayonets. AND YOU HAVE SYMPATHY FOR THOSE SAVAGES!!! Fuck-you. PAUL TIBBETTS did his righteous duty. You, you liberal cunt, sould have been one of those babies in Nanking! Shut up and eat your bagal, you schmendrick. Putz.
jeeves
November 3rd, 2007 @ 8:51 pm

sure is funny how KKKays usual gang of idiot supporters are nowhere to be found on this post, except for the one little pole-smoking homo who added his high-pitched fairy voice many comments above and then hiked up his skirt and ran away to fairyland.
Orenthal
November 3rd, 2007 @ 8:52 pm

This blog stands as proof that even emotional cripples can master the basics of the Internet. It really has arrived!

I feel sorry for you. You have deep-seated problems that years of therapy won’t cure. But good luck anyway – get started sooner to get cured faster!
Neil C. Reinhardt
November 3rd, 2007 @ 8:56 pm

Anyone calling Tibbets a coward is so stupid they
must have someone else dress them as well as wipe their ass. They have put themselves at the top of the list of the most stupid sub humans who hss ever lived.

To see a A TRUE COWARD, this low life, scum sucking, puss eating gutless wonder should look in a mirror as IT does not use ITs real name. (If it has one other than ass hole!

White Noise writer, YOU ARE SCUM and a COWARD!!

Neil C. Reinhardt

An Agnostic, Atheist Activest
Fredrick Jagel
November 3rd, 2007 @ 9:03 pm

“My son isnâ€™t having sex and heâ€™s 13. Any questions?”

Yes…When did you cut him off? Did your son disagree with you point of view? Is that why you’re not fucking him no more. Selfish bitch. Where would YOU be if your older brother didn’t fuck yo’ moma? How can you type so much with your webbed fingers???
Oy!
Randy
November 3rd, 2007 @ 9:32 pm

Kay, none of these ignorant morons who swarmed over here from freeperville like a plague of locusts has made the point that although they disagree with your opinion they would defend to the death your right to have yours. Free speech is alright in their world as long as you think and talk like they do. They’re nothing but cowards. Don’t hold your breath waiting for any of them to volunteer to fight in Bush’s war. They probably have boils all over their asses from picking them so much and would use that as an excuse like their prophet Rush did.

Most of them have written nothing of note other than call you names, but don’t take it personally. Their mothers probably hated them and called them nasty names while she routinely beat them senseless with a pillowcase full of bars of soap. They can’t really help themselves. Hating on others is their religion.
SeeMonk
November 3rd, 2007 @ 10:14 pm

Hey Randy,

I did volunteer and I served. I did not call names and I asked, begged for Kay to recant. She mocked me. In a civilized discourse and world you both fail. BTW, given the people I served with would likely bring her to tears if she ever had the nerve to state what she said before them publicly, I consider my self to have been pretty sedate in my commentary. However given the fact she chose to spit on the grave of a person who put it all on the line in anera she cannot possible appreciate it is understandable why the degre of anger that as vitriolic as it has been, has been expressed. Defend her if it salves your soul but keep the nature of her taint in its original context. She spits on the grave of a man who’s actions before the dropping of the bomb warrant such extreme recognition for valor if for no other reason than the fact that he could have left servoce and been content with what he had accomplished, but yet, he stayed in the fight. It was because of his grit and determination that as a lone plane, with no escort carrying a weapon so fearsome and dangerous to himself and his crew, that he was chosen by his superiors to deliver it because they knew no matter what, he would complete his mission or die trying. That is what his life meant to people that Kay mocks and spits on. that is what Kay does not understand and that is why she fails.
SeeMonk
November 3rd, 2007 @ 10:19 pm

Pick apart my typos, needle me for my mistakes, but Kay is wrong and I ask her one more time. As an American who for better or worse is still free today, disagree with nukes but recant your statement that you spit on the grave of a man who put it all on the line to preserve what it is you do, no matter what that might be.

Edited by Kay:

Nope. I’m not going to recant anything. Thank you. Nice try though! I have my opinion of Paul Tibbetts and you have yours. I’m not here telling you you can’t have your opinion, now am I? I’ve not banned one person. Ha ha. I believe in the right to free speech while you wingnuts over and over and over above told me I don’t have that right! Kind of traitorous, don’t you think? You want me to “hug” Paul Tibbetts for saving and freeing our nation, while at the same time, you’re SPITTING ON HIS GRAVE BY TELLING AN AMERICAN THAT SHE DOESN’T HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK!

I used words: I spit on him. Prove to me that I actually did this. Had I done that, I could see why you wingnuts are upset. But I didn’t! Words, assholes! Words used to conjure up an image to reflect how I’m feeling!

I need better trolls. Some of you suck big time. Next time you come here, take the cannonball out of your head and give it a good cleaning to open your mind up a bit! Thanks!
Randy
November 3rd, 2007 @ 10:42 pm

SeeMonk, you DID call names. Maybe you just don’t remember doing it.

Why do so many of you have your panties in a wad over what Kay said when you said nothing when your Vice President went to the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz dressed up like a hobo? He may as well have pulled out his little dick and pissed on the memorial.

You may not like what Kay said but she has every right to say it. That is, until your President takes away the last of the freedoms we as Americans enjoy and those that bin Laden hates us for having. /snark
d
November 3rd, 2007 @ 10:44 pm

Randy,
SeeMonk is right. Not everyone who is offended by this is from freeperville.
Why do you criticise Rush Limpballs or Glenn Beck or Bill O’Reilley when they say something stupid and offensive?
Answer: Because they say what they say out of blatant ignorance and outright lies. Yet criticizing someone from the left is attacking free speech when that something said is so pattently wrong and ill concieved? Kay did NO fact checking whatsoever before writing this and her best defence for it all is what? To say this:
Hey, congratulations on being the one who believes the propaganda spewed by your government! I donâ€™t happen to believe any of it and question authority. You? Youâ€™re a sheep. Many reich wingers (in response to people like myself who believe that George Bush & Dick Cheney ignored the warnings prior to 9/11) have said that Truman did the same thing!
See that Randy boy? Kay thinks it is okay to just disregard history (under the guise of questioning authority)! How f’n brilliant that is (not)! I guess the Hallocaust and slavery is all propaganda too huh? It follows her same pattern of logic. Wait, Kay’s logic, an oxymoron I know.
Nevermind her notions that Truman was president in 1941 or that the city was “asleep” during the daylight bombing run. Why let facts get in the way of being stupid.
Randy
November 3rd, 2007 @ 11:05 pm

“D,”

Of course not everyone commenting here is from freeperville, just the majority of the people calling Kay names. By what route did you get here, just out of curiosity?

Kay may or may have not gotten all her facts correct but she’s still entitled to her opinion about Paul Tibbetts and if she doesn’t feel like apologizing or correcting herself, none of you are going to be able to force her. I wasn’t offended by her comment and no one who has left a comment so far has persuaded me that I should be offended.

By the way, it doesn’t make a bit of sense to compare Kay to Rush or Glenn or Bill seeing how Kay doesn’t yet have a national state-sponsored audience.
d
November 3rd, 2007 @ 11:26 pm

I followed her homepage link from AmericaBlog. I thought you already cracked the case about me posting under the name Insomniac Dave awhile ago. I’m not a frequent poster there and came up with the Insomniac name as a joke because it was late at night and I was bored when I first decided to comment there. I see no reason to go back because if you have ever been to that site, you would see that while there are some intelligent and thoughtful commenters there, there are also a lot of dullards talking about what brie goes best with Reisling or whining about how all is lost as regards to the Bush regime. There are better uses of my time I think.

Yes, Kay is entitled to her opinion and I am entitled to mine when I say that what she has done is harmful to democrats. I’m not going to argue whether or not it was right to drop the bomb, I can see the points of both sides even though ultimately I agree with the decision to do so. I believed it saved more lives than it took. That is after careful consideration and study but it is not the point.
Do you remember the last presidential election in 2004? Do you remember how the right brought up images of Vietnam protesters and spitting on soldiers and used that against Kerry and the democrats? It was all bullshit but it was also effective. It helped sway moderates and independants. Now Kay has come out and blatantly (albeit figuratively) done that very thing the right used against us! Excuse me for being pissed at seeing someone who is supposedly on the same “team” do something so patently stupid. No, she doesn’t have a state sponsored audience but that is no excuse. The analogy is apt on it’s face however.
Randy
November 3rd, 2007 @ 11:33 pm

“D,”

I really don’t think Kay’s opinion of Paul Tibbetts is going to swing any elections one way or the other. Nice try though.
d
November 3rd, 2007 @ 11:38 pm

It may not but it damn sure doesn’t help. Let’s just hope the Susie (the) Collie campaign doesn’t associate her with the Allen campaign whose events she has at least attended if not worked for according to some of her past entries. Guilt by association is one of THE main tricks in the republican playbook.
Ty Harris
November 4th, 2007 @ 12:19 am

D- regarding your proposal to trade Kay for any “chin dribblers” on my side of the political aisle- I’ll swap you even-up for the whackjob fundamentalists from Kansas who are holding up “God Hates Fags” signs at military funerals. I’d say they are both roughly equivilant on a moral and intellectual basis. Dont’ worry, I know that Kay doesnt represent all Democrats, just like the military funeral whack-jobs dont represent true conservatives and christians. Each party has it’s lunatic fringe, and it’s up to reasonable people on both sides of the aisle to reject mindless hate and demand minimum levels of civility and respectful disagreement. Otherwise progress, compromise, and bi-partisan actions on behalf of the country are impossible if we allow the level of public discourse to be lowered to the level of intellectual poo-flingers like Kay. Thanks for showing some decency and drawing some boundaries. Just out of curiosity, who are you supporting in the presidential primaries? I’m a Romney guy myself. – Ty
Ty Harris
November 4th, 2007 @ 12:38 am

D- regarding this business about the right unfairly bringing up images of vietnam protesters, flag burning and spitting on soldiers in the 2004 election, I would submit that it was perfectly fair and accurate.These things really happened- to the eternal shame of the left, and Kerry was a BIG part of that anti-war crowd. It was stupid of you guys to nominate a candidate who was so closely associated with the sorry behavior of the counter-culture in that era, in the erroneous assumption that Americans had forgot about his antics. The WW2 soldiers are dying off now, and few are left, but there are PLENTY of vietnam vets still around. They actually played Kerry’s lies to John McCain when he was a prisoner in Hanoi to demoralize him and the other POW’s. I am not old enough to remember Kerry going before congress and making up a bunch of lies ( which he later admitted were lies ) about american soldiers and fictitious attrocities that he allegedly witnessed but later recanted, but my Dad remembered Kerry and the hearings though,quite vividly and I am sure a lot of other pissed off vets did as well. It would be unreasonable of you to expect us to NOT raise the issue, as his efforts to undercut the war- effort by dishonest means calls into question his charachter. Politics is a rough old game- Bush was also the victim of dirty tricks- the revelation of the old drunk driving conviction 3 days before the 2000 election was no coincidence, and Dan Rather’s made-up story based on forged documents right before the 2004 election was a lot more shameful than anything the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth did. If your candidate cant stand up to the scrutiny of his own actions in the past, then nominate a better candidate. I wonder sometimes if your party has a suicidal streak in it. You have a perfectly viable candidate like Obama, yet you guys seem intent on sending up Hillary with all of her corruption and baggage that you KNOW is going to be dragged up by us republicans. When I heard a couple of weeks ago about all of the illegal campaign contributions from shadowy chinese figures, it was like I had fallen into a time-warp. I thought to myself- here we go again…
d
November 4th, 2007 @ 1:09 am

Ty, I do not support Hillary! Anyone but her. Anyway, as to the rest of what you say here, your trade offer is sadly perfectly fair. It does not behoove any of us to support the fringe elements of whatever side of the spectrum they happen to be most closely associated with.
As for what you said in the 276 comment, I can see I’m gonna have to edumacate (spelling intended) you on certain things and will do so soon but not here. I’ve bookmarked your site and if it is all the same to you, I’d rather do it there. Perhaps in a few days?
We can at least agree to disagree without the Kay type poison.

To quickly answer your question: The show South Park did the best parody of elections in this country as far as what they have come down to when they did the episode in which a school mascot election came down between a turd sandwhich and a giant douche. Romney is a turd sandwhich and my choice for giant douche would have to be Edwards. Looking at both fields, it is sad that the choices in both parties are so pathetic. There isn’t a single true statesman in the bunch.
However I am of a mind the the republican party should be punished for their blind loyalty to Bush and under no circumstances should they get even a whiff of power again for at least 20 years. Call it a prison sentence. The crime? Continously supporting abject failure at the expense of what is best for the country.
kayinmaine
November 4th, 2007 @ 9:25 am

“D” gets his information from South Park! Wow, what a great “progressive/liberal” you are! LOLOLOLOL

What I said is harmful to democrats? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, seems that most of the cry babies above are reich wing American Taliban babies! Real progressives/liberals understand the freedom of speech. Real reich wing American Taliban want to take that right away! See the difference, Dumb D?

And guess what? My opinion of Paul Tibbetts still stands this morning! Yep! Nothing you wingnuts have said has changed my opinion of him. Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, go cry now. You’re good at it.
kayinmaine
November 4th, 2007 @ 9:29 am

Of course, the Vietnam protests were instrumental in ending the occupation there, now didn’t it? Don’t want to talk about that, huh? Oh no! You’d rather shit on the democrats, right D? ‘Cause you’re a “real progressive/liberal”! Oh please. You’re obviously a dumbbat. Hating Kay is more important to you than anything else, huh? I love how you’ve given my blog power, when in reality, it’s a tiny little tid bit of a blog online. It’s nothing compared to the power and visibility of AMERICAblog, FireDogLake, or DailyKos! Oh, but you wingnuts gave it some power while at the same time coming here for 3 days in a row telling me I have to shut up!

And guess what? The Democratic Party is still alive and well and my blog didn’t effect it at all! LOLOLOLOLOL Wingnuts you all are!
Gary
November 4th, 2007 @ 10:26 am

On the contrary, keep talking. Keep posting.
All the better when lunatics like you blather on.
BTW, what kind of car do you drive? Judging from the pic it looks sort of like an SUV. 6 or 8 cylinders?
I mean, the war’s about the oil, right?
Carry on, hypocrite.
kayinmaine
November 4th, 2007 @ 10:30 am

I drive a Saturn. LOL Wow Gary, you’re not too bright, now are you? A republican I suspect! LOLOLOL
d
November 4th, 2007 @ 10:40 am

Of course, the Vietnam protests were instrumental in ending the occupation there, now didnâ€™t it?

You just wouldn’t know the facts about history if they jumped up and bit you in the ass would you? For the love of God (or whatever sky myth you choose) pick up a fucking history book! 6 years…..6 fucking years! of protests! You call that instrumental in ending that war?
Okay Kay. You choose to live your life in ignorance and take pride in the fact that you are ignorant. Go on and spout your stupidity for anyone to see. I guess attention, even attention that shows you to be ill informed jack-ass is perfectly fine for an attention whore.

See ya Dumbass!
kayinmaine
November 4th, 2007 @ 11:28 am

Uh hello, Dumbass! Kerry’s testimony along with a lot of other crap helped to hasten the end of our occupation in Vietnam!

How come you’re not protesting today, You Big Progressive Liberal, that you say you are? Oh that’s right. You’re a complete nothing who hates Kay! Good for you. *rolling eyes*

You can call me ignorant, stupid, devoid of facts (or facts that suit your view), but it won’t stop me from calling Paul Tibbetts a coward! Get it? I could have stated that he dropped the atomic bomb in Jamaica and it still wouldn’t have mattered, because no matter where the fuck he dropped it, I am against the use of nukes and I don’t have any respect for anyone who was part of the planning of the use of one!

Get it, Stupid?

I expect you to be happy and thrilled when George Bush drops a nuke on Iran to “stop the madness”. I will make sure you don’t act like a hypocrite either!

LOLOLOLOL
d
November 4th, 2007 @ 11:42 am

In the immortal words of Dan Akroid:

Kay, you’re an ignorant slut.

I know you have some capacity to read but there is reading and there is reading comprehension. You really do lack the latter…unless you’re deflections are deliberate.
You want to call Tibbets a coward for what he did fine. I probably wouldn’t have said anything if that is all you did. I would have passed right on thinking you’re an idiot but a harmless idiot. It’s the spitting thing that makes you a poor excuse for a human being. The notion that you procreated and are raising an offspring sends shivers down my spine. I hope this child is able to overcome the shortcomings of it’s mother.

Uh hello, Dumbass! Kerryâ€™s testimony along with a lot of other crap helped to hasten the end of our occupation in Vietnam!

That is just too stupid to respond to. A lot of other crap? Uh, okay.
Kerry’s testimony before congress may have helped but Vietnam was coming to a close protests or no protests. Everyone in government was beginning to realise it wasn’t worth it over there anymore. It never was worth it but that’s beside the point. People protested it for years and those protests were loud, BIG, covered nightly on the network news and for years they fell on deaf ears in Washington. When it came down to it, not enough people voted for people for president or congress who would end that war. Much like the situation we are in now. Not enough of the right people were voted into office last year and thus nothing has changed.
kayinmaine
November 4th, 2007 @ 11:43 am

Looks like Watergate also helped in ending the occupation of Vietnam: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-hayden/watergate-ended-the-vietn_b_9768.html

It’s always embarrassing when your president is also committing criminal acts during a time of war! Oh yes. Fast forward to today and we have “Nixon” back in office using his own form of domestic “terrorism” to get what he wants!

It’s sad really.

I’m against nukes and I don’t like the fact that our country or other countries have them. We have lunatics running our nation right now too, which is also scary. Oh, but the Reich Wing American Taliban along with the Left Wing Neo-Liberals love them! Hell, they’ll come here to WNI to lambaste an American who doesn’t think it’s brave or heroic to drop a nuke on a country even if it’s to “stop the killing”! To me, it’s cowardice.
d
November 4th, 2007 @ 11:46 am

Iâ€™m against nukes and I donâ€™t like the fact that our country or other countries have them. We have lunatics running our nation right now too, which is also scary

Now THAT! I agree with!

A moment of lucidity? Hang on to it!
kayinmaine
November 4th, 2007 @ 11:48 am

“Itâ€™s the spitting thing that makes you a poor excuse for a human being. The notion that you procreated and are raising an offspring sends shivers down my spine. I hope this child is able to overcome the shortcomings of itâ€™s mother.”

Now I’m a bad mother for being against anyone who thinks dropping a nuclear bomb on a city is not right? Wow! What do you teach your kids? I can only imagine! I spit on you now. I bet you tell your kids that the fallout from a nuclear bomb explosion is rich in vitamin A&D and every country should be doing it. I bet you tell them that the only way to win a fight is to cheat, to smear, and to resort to calling names! I bet you tell your kids that poor kids in America deserve to be exploded by bombs, because it will leave more money in the coffers for nuclear technology, which is better than feeding them! Again, I spit on you now. Cover up you coward!

I spit on Tibbetts as well. He’s not a hero in my eyes, but he is to those who don’t have an ounce of compassion for the lives of others.

I spit on the GOP. They have zero compassion on all fronts.

I spit on George Bush & Dick Cheney. Hell, I’d give them a bath of spit if I could!

I spit on the neo-liberals who would rather ban with the neocons of America to go after Kay.

I spit on D just for the fun of it! And boy, is it fun!
d
November 4th, 2007 @ 11:58 am

You must chew tobacco in order to work up so much spit.

If you were to spit on Bush and or Cheney, I would stand up and aplaud you. THEY deserve it! If you were to “spit” on Truman for ordering the bomb be dropped, I would at least respect your opinion. But to do it on a guy who did what he was told and believed in what he did whether you disagree with it or not is subhuman. I guess that is too fine a distinction for you to understand.

Good-bye Kay. Thanks a lot for dimming my world view by showing that there are people like you out there.
SeeMonk
November 4th, 2007 @ 1:35 pm

Hi Kay,

You missed the fact boat again in regards to Watergate. Nixon had already began troop reductions by the time Watergate was revealed. You are 0-3 on key facts. That you quote hufpo doesn’t help much. I have taken many an article apart on her site. In fact I had to stop because it was so time consuming. We were on or way out of Viet Nam which was propagated by the Dems and expanded by the Dems and brought to an end by the Reps.

For the record I am no big fan of Bush but I do prefer him over other people who ran. Kerry couldn’t keep his facts any more straighht than you can and Clinton is so close to Bush that I think she may even move to texas if she thinks it will get her elected.

Work on your facts. When you continuously get them wrong it cheapens whatever effort you put into this rag. Whatever is worth doing is worth doing well. Even if it is you doing it.
kayinmaine
November 4th, 2007 @ 2:15 pm

What did Bush do during Vietnam? Did he volunteer to fight in Vietnam or did he hide out under Daddy’s coat? Huh?

Facts don’t matter. My opinion is this: Paul Tibbetts is a coward and I don’t like nukes.

Get it, pal? If you don’t, then leave. Simple as that.
Missouri Mule
November 4th, 2007 @ 2:41 pm

I doubt you would be saying this if you had your orders to report for the taking of the Japanese home island. I also doubt you would be saying this if you had fought on Iwo Jima. I also doubt you would be saying this if you were on the Bataan Death March. I doubt you would be saying this if you had languished in one of the many Japanese prison camps where our boys were starved and murdered by the thousands for the sadistic pleasure of their guards. It is easy for you to get on your high horse because it was the blood of American sacrifice that permits you to write this trash. Shame on you! Shame on you! Shame on you!
Jimbo
November 4th, 2007 @ 5:43 pm

Kay has stated controversial view. She’s stated it quite emotionally as well. But there’s nothing “vile” about it.

Hundreds of thousands of innocent people died needlessly in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. That the political leaders of this county did it apparently without considering the military value speaks volumes as to the real reason for doing it: namely as a warning to the Soviet Union and a demonstration of American hegemony.

There is nothing honorable about this, nothing about sparing Americans or stopping a war. People were murdered (yes, murder: that’s what you call unnecessary killing) to make a point. Whatever moral superiority the US supposedly had evaporated and revealed the truth – that in the end there aren’t good guys or bad guys, just endless brutality that corrupts everyone involved.

It’s not surprising Tibbets didn’t see it. Maybe I would protect myself in the same way if I had does this. It is surprising (and disconcerting) however that apparently many Americans are so self-centered and self-absorbed that they would willing trade the lives of innocent people simply to make themselves feel better about their own moral failures.

Whatever you feel about Kay’s manner of delivering her message the message is valid bears repeating.
kayinmaine
November 4th, 2007 @ 6:13 pm

“# Bombiran Says:
November 2nd, 2007 at 8:01 pm e

Kay has done what that idiot bitch did when she wrote an op-ed piece that Pat Tillman deserved to die in â€œBushâ€™s Warâ€. Tillman was killed by â€œfriendly fireâ€ but the loony leftists came out of the woodwork and cheered his passing and harrassing his family with all sorts of vile statements. These lunatics may have the â€œrightâ€ to say these awful things guaranteed by our 1st Amendment but their words are weapons and they must be answered with overwhelming and devastaing rebuttal. And mind you, the same applies to the wacko religious bible thumpers who protest at military funerals. These fringe wackos (both leftists and far right) must be contained and controlled lest, as in the case of the democrat presidential candidates, they are pandered to by those who seek to have power over us.”

Actually, I did a post on how the Bush Regime COVERED UP PAT TILLMAN’S DEATH AND HOW HE DIED, BECAUSE THE BUSH REGIME KNEW THAT TILLMAN NO LONGER SUPPORTED GEORGE BUSH’S WARONTERROR! Tillman was killed by his own buddies.

Nice try asswipe, Bombiran! Just making up shit to make yourself feel better!

By the way, thanks Jimbo @ 292! I knew there would be one more person who sees the barbarianism of nuclear bombs. George Bush is now talking about WWIII and boy…wouldn’t he love to use our arsenal on us or other countries to get what he wants! It’s sickening to me!

I have zero respect for nukes or the people who use them, drop them, or want them. The End.
James Bone
November 4th, 2007 @ 6:48 pm

Hey, Bomb “Eye-ran”… you gonna ride the first one down, boy?
kayinmaine
November 4th, 2007 @ 7:39 pm

Gawd, I wished Bombiran would, James Bone!
Well-Read-Redneck
November 4th, 2007 @ 10:06 pm

I am against the use of nukes and I donâ€™t have any respect for anyone who was part of the planning of the use of one!

Since a Democratic administration was responsible for the development and the use of the atomic bomb, perhaps you should resign from the Democratic Party. Since a Democratic administration was responsible for the development and the use of the atomic bomb, perhaps you should never again support any Democratic Party candidate, if you are truly a person who puts principle above politics.

By the way, if you are so against nuclear bombs, what is your opinion about Iran getting the bomb? One consequence of Iranâ€™s getting the bomb will be that it will set off an arms race in the Middle East. Saudi Arabia and Egypt will want the bomb to protect themselves from Iran. What is your opinion of that? It would be interesting to find out what strategy you propose to prevent Iran from getting the bomb, especially in view of the fact that Europe has been negotiating for the last 3-4 years with Iran, to no avail. Or are you indifferent or even pleased about a holocaust-denying misogynistic homophobic theocracy getting the bomb?

What is your reaction to Iran nuking Israel. They have certainly talked about it.
Just wondering.

One consequence of not dropping the bomb would most likely have been that the USSR would have participated in the invasion of Japan. Just like South Korea and Germany, Japan would have been split in two, with half under the rule of a Communist regime. What is your opinion of that? (If you are aghast at the ~200,000 killed at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, then consider what it would be like for half of Japan to be under a system that was responsible for the death of ~100,000,000. Source for the 100 million: Black Book of Communism.)

If you reply that there is no way to predict what would have occurred, I would suggest that you think long and hard, and consult many sources, to make a plausible prediction of what would have happened if we had not dropped the bomb. The world is a lot more complex than your little hunk of heaven in Maine.
CJ
November 5th, 2007 @ 1:02 am

It’s imbeciles like you that give liberals a bad name. Did you ever complete secondary school? You apparently lack even a cursory understanding of history.

It springs to mind that the fire bombings of Dresden and Tokyo both killed around 70,000 people. This is somehow more humane? What’s so magic about nukes? Given a choice, I’d rather go in a flash myself…
Ty Harris
November 5th, 2007 @ 2:02 am

D- Thanks for your idea in post 225 about linking this nutjob to the Allen campaign. I forwarded all the details about her Tibbets post to the Collins campaign today. Judging by her bio and her “protest” blog entries, she seems heavily involved in maine politics at the grass-roots level for left wing causes and candidates. If she has ever so much as passed out flyers or answered phones for the Allen campaign, he’ll be holding a news conference this week to apologize for being associated in any way with Kay. Even if she isnt directly linked to Allen, the fact that she is blogging in support of him and is making these kind of outrageous statements is the kind of thing that can tar a candidate by mere association. Hannity and O’Reilly are known for bringing up crazy blogger comments like Kay’s on national TV just to portray a given candidate in a certain light by showing the kind of supporters they have. This is great ammunition for us G.O.P er’s! Thanks again for the idea.
Randy
November 5th, 2007 @ 7:03 am

When all else fails to silence dissent as usual the Republican response is to try to intimidate. Send a report to the jackals and hyenas of the party with TV and radio shows. That’ll fix Kay for sure! ……………..Right!!! While you’re busy doing that you should also report most of us to Homeland Security for laughing behind your backs.
Reichwingenfuhrer
November 5th, 2007 @ 7:04 am

Wow, an overly emotional lib chick with zero grasp of actual history.

Amazing. Who would have thought such a person could have ever existed?

I don’t understand all the emotional replies however. Some irrational clueless cow ranted about a certain USAF Bomber pilot on her weblog. So what?
SeeMonk
November 5th, 2007 @ 10:15 am

“History does not entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid.” -
Dwight D. Eisenhower
SeeMonk
November 5th, 2007 @ 10:24 am

I do go away Kay and then I come back because it is free for me. Whereas you have an emotional investment mine is purely factual and costs me nothing. You must spend precious amounts of feeling which must be conjured up. I just go to
Wikipedia and gather facts. I remain composed and in control. Now just that quick I leave and maybe come back. Maybe not.

Edited by Kay:

You’re gonna find this shocking because you’re under the impression that the whole world loves you and waits around for you to say one of your “facts you get from Wikipedia”, but I have to tell you this: IF YOU FUCKING LEAVE I PROMISE I WON’T CRY! HONEST! IN FACT, I WON’T EVEN NOTICE YOU’RE GONE. MY DOG JASPER WON’T EVEN BARK EITHER WHEN YOU GO!

See?

I know you’re shocked. Most neocons are that are addicted to Kay’s opinion of them and who think they can eventually change my perception of them. Let me just say this again for the record: I FUCKING HATE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND EVERYTHING IT SAYS IT STANDS FOR. NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF WARMONGERING, LYING, STINKING, PERVERTED, THEIVES WHO WOULD RATHER DROP NUKES & BOMBS & POISON WHOLE AREAS, RATHER THAN FEED OR INSURE AMERICA’S CHILDREN!

You suck lizard penises. Don’t make me say it again. I spit on all of you.
James Bone
November 5th, 2007 @ 11:23 am

#297

“Whatâ€™s so magic about nukes? Given a choice, Iâ€™d rather go in a flash myselfâ€¦”

Right on! So… you’ll be leaving us, then?
James Bone
November 5th, 2007 @ 11:34 am

#300 moron…

Sie sind ein Schwein!
Missouri Mule
November 5th, 2007 @ 12:09 pm

Most people don’t know the reasons that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the targets since they were not strategic targets. The point was to drive home the message to the militarists who ran the Japanese government that they could not possibly hope to continue the war. Toyko was already firebombed into a cinder with tens of thousands of dead. To have bombed it would not have demonstrated the advantage that we had. What was not known is that we had shot our wad and dropped the only two nukes we had produced up to that time. The Emperor stepped in to end the war but was nearly stopped by an abortive military coup. He was considered a “God” by the Japanese masses. He prepared a tape to be played to the Japanese people that it was time to end the war and that was what stopped the war. A miliary coup planners were stopped as the tape was secreted away and they committed harikari. And the war ended.

At that time the hatred for the Japanese was nearly universal in the United States and most people didn’t care if the entire Japanese nation was destroyed including the entire population. The American people was sick of the war and the American military planners were not certain we would be willing to suffer up to one million more American dead so the decision was easy for Truman to make. He did not even know of the bomb at the time he ascended to the presidency. He did not hesitate and the rest is history.

To not have dropped the bomb would have resulted in his meeting the fate of Mussolini if the American people learned he failed to use the weapon that would have prevented those American deaths and by extention tens of millions of Japanese dead. To have stopped short of total victory would have been a slap in the face to all of the American troops who had given everything in this necessary war. Iwo Jima was fought in February and March of 1945 and resulted in 6,821 American dead and 19,189 wounded. The Japanese defenders took 20,703 dead and only 216 survived. What would it have been with an invasion of the Japanese home island?

Paul Tibbetts was an American hero who saved countless American lives AND Japanese lives by doing what was required. We should never let historical revisionism overwhelm us with patent nonsense. Thank God for men like Tibbetts. And remember what Churchill said about war.

“We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.” – Winston Churchill
AJ
November 5th, 2007 @ 1:23 pm

I guess you’d rather have had the invasion of Japan then. If you going to spit on someone at least have the common curitsy to offer another (preferably better) solution. however you seem like a lot of extremists, all talk little knowledge of reality.
Darth Odie
November 5th, 2007 @ 2:18 pm

Wow you deleted all my wiki links. Liberals win with facts? No they dump links to facts they can’t face.
Mark
November 5th, 2007 @ 3:40 pm

this ‘lady’ probably thinks 9/11 was an inside job

“TOWER 7!” “TOWER 7!”

deranged and stupid is no way to go through life – so you have a kid? great, another moron that will end up in jail.

Edited by Kay:

Can you explain why the FBI does not have Osama bin Laden on their website listed as one of the guys who was behind 9/11/01? Kind of strange don’t you think?

I bet you believe Pat Tillman killed himself, huh, dumbass?
UH
November 5th, 2007 @ 4:07 pm

#305

If everyone is so interested in facts, why have my comments been totally ignored? (#259) You’re obviously not interested in anything but your own opinions, so we’ll deal with those:

“At that time the hatred for the Japanese was nearly universal in the United States and most people didnâ€™t care if the entire Japanese nation was destroyed including the entire population.”

Oh… I see. That justifies everything! Public hatred of the Japanese and other foreigners was the result of a well-funded (taxpayer) political propaganda storm by an elitist-controlled government trying to push a very reluctant Japan into a fight to satisfy the banker’s requests for the US to get involved in the European conflict. So, responding like any nation would, having their resources and livelihood cut off, their national identity disgraced before the world, they retaliated… WITH THE FULL KNOWLEDGE OF THE US GOVERNMENT by attacking Pearl Harbor!

“To not have dropped the bomb would have resulted in his meeting the fate of Mussolini if the American people learned he failed to use the weapon that would have prevented those American deaths and by extension tens of millions of Japanese dead. To have stopped short of total victory would have been a slap in the face to all of the American troops who had given everything in this necessary war.”

Maybe if the European elite and a corrupt president hadn’t coerced Japan into a war in the first place, those American and Japanese deaths would have been prevented, also… ever think of that? No, because in this society, we always deal with the band-aid solutions and never the cause of the problem.

Tibbets wasn’t any more a hero than the scullery maid working in the mess hall… EVERYONE did their part! He was just higher profile. But, like everything else in this society, you have to be on top of the pile to get any recognition… and be fashionably and politically correct.

â€œWe sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.â€ – Winston Churchill

Just to add to that – we sleep soundly IN SPITE of a totalitarian government controlled by rich financiers and industrial tycoons, because there are conscientious but ignorant people willing to fight in their wars which are nothing more than attempts by the rich to make themselves even richer at the expense of the “lesser” classes.

Real history never gets told, does it? If you were an elitist, wouldn’t you have it that way, also?

Edited by Kay:

Have you noticed that our country is currently being run by fascist dictators like Hitler, who think they have a right to invade and attack any country they want, have the right to take away Habeas corpus, have the right to give themselves signing statements to ignore the laws of America, have the right to cage dissenters away from them, have the right to squash any kind of dissent, have the right to lie to our nation, have the right to torture human beings, and have the right to not provide the necessary armor to our soldiers while their fascist buddies bilk America out of billions of dollars a week!

Seems bombing Japan years ago didn’t seem to make a difference, now has it? Ask Arlen Specter how he has contributed to Georgie & Dickie having more power than they should have!

How embarrassing that you’ve not noticed this! I bet you’re one of those ‘good Germans’, huh? Spit.
ginsocal
November 5th, 2007 @ 4:21 pm

Others have amply pointed out Kay’s numerous intellectual and educational defects, so I won’t repeat them. Suffice to say that these anti-war douchebags have no idea of the real cost of freedom, and if they ever have to actually learn it, they will likely piss down their legs before running away, screaming like girls. Assclowns, all of ‘em.

Edited by Kay:

Speaking of the “real cost of freedom”……….LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE WHILE I STATE MY OPINIONS IN A FREE COUNTRY THAT ALLOWS ME TO! If you don’t like it, move to Pakistan.
James Bone
November 5th, 2007 @ 4:30 pm

#308

“…deranged and stupid is no way to go through life”

I dunno… seems to have worked for you, shithead!

#310

Hey butt-face… you still here? The recruiter called, and wants your chickenshit ass front and center, pronto!

Set an example, hero!
grantinhouston
November 5th, 2007 @ 5:30 pm

I have wondered why Paul Tibbets wasn’t buried at Arlington with other heroes if he and his family were so concerned that his grave would be desecrated and therefore needed to go unmarked. There are spots at that cemetery that have guards 24/7 and I would think the whole cemetery would be safe from vandals. Supposedly he wanted cremation and his ashes spread on the English Channel over which he flew bombing missions. Details have been kept secret.

Contrast with my uncle, who served in the Army Corps of Engineers, helping to build airstrips on Pacific islands even before there was a full surrender. This meant he and his crew would have snipers taking pot shots at them and he knows that he killed a few Japanese. He came home a changed man, very quiet, suffering PTSD the rest of his life. He would have recurring nightmares that the widows and children of the Japanese soldiers he killed were chasing him with swords. My aunt would have to shake him, awaken him and talk him back to reality. He died in a VA hospital of Alzheimer’s. After he no longer knew any family, my aunt remarked once she hoped he had also forgotten the nightmare of WWII. He was a Baptist deacon and he was hounded by guilt for killing, breaking the Ten Commandments, even if it was killing the enemy and also to ensure his survival and that of fellow Americans. For Paul Tibbets to sleep soundly for most of his 92 years, to not feel any guilt nor remorse for helping to kill hundreds of thousands of mostly innocent women, children, civilians (whom he once called “bastards”), I find strange and in a way inhuman.
NW Denizen
November 5th, 2007 @ 6:25 pm

I suppose you would approve if the Japanese had done the same thing to Americans that they did to Chinese, and other Asian peoples…30,000,000 mostly civilians raped and murdered. It is a fact that Samurai swords killed more people in WWII than the two atom bombs that were dropped on Japan. Your ignorant piece simply shows that you have a total lack of education about the Pacific Theater in WWII. Either that or you are insane. You ought to be kissing the ground that General Tibbetts and others like him walked on. You literally owe your freedom, and your right to spew your liberal lunacy, to Tibbetts and other individials like him. God bless you General.
kindawannasometimes
November 5th, 2007 @ 8:01 pm

has anyone noticed how kay has no life? check how often she is writing hatred. all the time. if shes not sleeping or working shes writing hatred. look at the clock time of her posts. all night long sometimes.

so it should come as no surprse that shes a single mom. who in their right mind would want to spend time with such a hater?

thats why shes angry folks, no men in her life, probably none for 13-14 yrs, the one time she did get laid and knocked up. thats the last time she had whooppee!

no wonder shes so full of hate, especially towards men.

kays Saturday night dates all begin and end with D cell batteries. then she returns to her hatred. what a sick creature she is.

Edited by Kay:

I have no life? How many email addresses have you used over the course of the last three days using my name in it? Huh, loser? You’re the obsessed one, not me pal!

You are so full of hate, especially towards women. That’s why you’re angry….women find you revolting. None want to have kids with you! “Yuck!”, they say!

On a Saturday night, you end up hanging with your friends all night because women find you revolting. You’re a sick creature and women immediately sense this. This is why you hang out on my blog all day and night and harass me in your email addresses. Weirdo!
Missouri Mule
November 5th, 2007 @ 8:37 pm

“Edited by Kay:

Have you noticed that our country is currently being run by fascist dictators like Hitler, who think they have a right to invade and attack any country they want, have the right to take away Habeas corpus, have the right to give themselves signing statements to ignore the laws of America, have the right to cage dissenters away from them, have the right to squash any kind of dissent, have the right to lie to our nation, have the right to torture human beings, and have the right to not provide the necessary armor to our soldiers while their fascist buddies bilk America out of billions of dollars a week!

Seems bombing Japan years ago didnâ€™t seem to make a difference, now has it? Ask Arlen Specter how he has contributed to Georgie & Dickie having more power than they should have!

How embarrassing that youâ€™ve not noticed this! I bet youâ€™re one of those â€˜good Germansâ€™, huh? Spit.”
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Yes, I am a “good German” to use your words. I’m proud of my heritage which happens to be German in origin. But I am first and foremost a “good American” who values American lives.

Everything I said was based on actual history; something that you or anyone else could have learned yourself had you bothered to look it up.

My first reply still applies. You should be ashamed of yourself to sully the name of a genuine American hero who made it possible that you can carry on your diatribes here. If Hitler or Tojo had their way you would have been sent off to one of their detention camps where you would have had to subsist on one of their patented 800 calorie diets sufficient to keep you alive long enough before the next group of slave laborers came along to replace you and to throw your 60 pound corpse on the burn pile. That was the war that Tibbitts ended. That’s actual history and you can look it up if you don’t believe me. You are entitled to your opinions but not your own facts.

â€œWe sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.â€ – Winston Churchill
Traitor Baitor
November 5th, 2007 @ 11:02 pm

test
Missouri Mule
November 6th, 2007 @ 1:04 am

“UH Says:
November 5th, 2007 at 4:07 pm

#305

If everyone is so interested in facts, why have my comments been totally ignored? (#259) Youâ€™re obviously not interested in anything but your own opinions, so weâ€™ll deal with those:”

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The reason I ignored your post is because it is hogwash. I suggest a remedial history course. Regardless of what you think of America, the fact is that the Japanese were slaughtering the Chinese by the hundreds of thousands. Have you not heard of the Rape of Nanking? Here, let me help you.
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THE NANKING MASSACRE
In 1928, the Chinese Nationalist Government moved the capital of China from Peking to Nanking. The city normally held about 250,000 people, but by the mid-1930’s its population had swollen to more than 1 million. Many of them were refugees, fleeing from the Japanese armies which had invaded China since 1931. On November 11, 1937, after securing control of Shanghai, the Japanese army advanced towards Nanking from different directions. In early December, the Japanese troops were already in the proximity of Nanking.

On December 9, after unsuccessfully demanding the defending Chinese troops in Nanking to surrender, the Japanese troops launched a massive attack upon the city. On the 12th, the defending Chinese troops decided to retreat to the other side of Yangtze River. On the 13th of December, the 6th and the 116th Divisions of the Japanese Army first entered the city. At the same time, the 9th Division entered Guanghua Gate, and the 16th Division entered Zhongshan Gate and the Pacific Gate. In the afternoon, two Japanese Navy fleets arrived on both sides of the Yangtze River. On the same day, December 13th, 1937, Nanking fell to the Japanese. In the next six weeks, the Japanese committed the infamous Nanking Massacre, or the Rape of Nanking, during which an estimated 300,000 Chinese soldiers and civilians were killed, and 20,000 women were raped.

During the Nanking Massacre, the Japanese committed a litany of atrocities against innocent civilians, including mass execution, raping, looting, and burning. It is impossible to keep a detailed account of all of these crimes. However, from the scale and the nature of these crimes as documented by survivors and the diaries of the Japanese militarists, the chilling evidence of this historical tragedy is indisputable…

(Snip)

http://arts.cuhk.edu.hk/NanjingMassacre/NMNJ.html
Traitor Baitor
November 6th, 2007 @ 1:15 am

for some reason my long post doesnt show up but it says its a duplicate when I repost
grantinhouston
November 6th, 2007 @ 1:42 am

There is the “myth of the 1 million saved” which most Americans bought hook, line, and sinker, to assuage any guilt, then there is the ACTUAL history. The latter has been well researched by Gar Alperovitz in several books. Alperovitz has been on the faculty of Harvard and U. of Maryland, a fellow with the Brookings Institute, and formerly with the State Department. He is no flake.

http://www.amazon.com/Decision-Use-Atomic-Bomb/dp/067976285X/ref=sr_1_1/104-4792297-4025542?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1194325548&sr=1-1

By April 12, 1945, the day of President Franklin Roosevelt’s untimely death, he, Gen. Douglas MacArthur, and Adm. Chester Nimitz had led the United States and Australia to assured victory in the Pacific Theater. Already, Japan’s Emperor Hirohito was negotiating surrender with President Roosevelt, and other U.S.A. allies, working through Pope Pius XII’s acting secretary for diplomatic affairs, Giovanni Montini (later Pope Paul VI). At the time Roosevelt died, the islands of Japan were already effectively blockaded; Japan’s military situation was hopeless. Surrender on the Emperor’s proposed terms was virtually assured within a few more months, as the logistical noose tightened sufficiently to end all Japan military leaders’ resistance to the Emperor’s will. At the time, the best U.S. guess for surrender was Autumn 1945, by no later than November.

There was no need for a military invasion of the islands of Japan. There was no military reason for dropping those nuclear weapons on two cities, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, of a Japan which had been utterly defeated; there was only a British geopolitical motive, which had almost nothing to do with Japan as such.

Alperovitz contends that Winston Churchill worked on Truman to go ahead with the bombs, not so much to end a war that was coming to an end, but to give notice to the Soviet Union which the UK greatly feared now with the defeat of Germany. Truman was actually “out of the loop” and didn’t even know about the highly classified Manhattan Project until he was sworn in as president. He didn’t know about the successful detonation of the first bomb in New Mexico until late July only a few weeks before two bombs were used on Japan. If more had been known about the development of the bombs, maybe the U.S. wouldn’t have given so much away to the Soviets at Yalta and Potsdam, bringing in the Soviets after the war was essentially over, but then our honoring the agreements which gave the Soviets North Korea has led to the problems in Korea ever since. It turns out we didn’t need the Soviet Union in the Pacific theater after all, even if we had run the course of a conventional war and not dropped the bombs.
UH
November 6th, 2007 @ 2:42 am

#317

“Regardless of what you think of America, the fact is that the Japanese were slaughtering the Chinese by the hundreds of thousands. Have you not heard of the Rape of Nanking? Here, let me help you.”

I guess you weren’t listening too well(as is usual with the ignorant)when I referred to the Asian conflict at the beginning of my comment. In that, I stated that America had no concern whatsoever for the plight of the Chinese, whom they (America) considered a communist threat, and actually applauded the Japanese for “standing against communism” by invading China. How two-faced is that? Here YOU are, playing the great benefactor in your ‘concern’ for the plight of those that your parents didn’t deem worthy of even living!

And, of course, this has NOTHING to do with what caused Japan to enter into conflict with the US, but is merely a side-stepping tactic to avoid the accusation and fact that America goaded the Japanese into a fight and then cried foul when they responded! Now, according to your warped interpretation of events, Japan is the bad guy, and was deserving of extinction because they had the bad judgement to resist a totalitarian power that refused to cut them any slack economically or otherwise!

America made no bones at all about invading first Afghanistan and then Iraq on the PRETENSE that they, themselves, were attacked by terrorists, and even later admissions by a SCUMBAG administration that WMD’s didn’t really exist at all doesn’t seem to phase you at all, does it? America, in your view, is justified in doing any goddamn thing it wants BECAUSE it’s America… right?

Kamikazes were deemed deluded fanatics because they gave their lives when all other resources were exhausted. Americans doing that would be deemed heroes! Tibbets is deemed a hero because he dropped the big one on the enemy, but if it had been a Japanese pilot that dropped it on New York, he’d have been worse than the Antichrist, right?

Here’s a newsflash for you, Mule, your intel is HEAVILY biased in favor of a corrupt administration’s interpretation of history, obviously to cover their tracks in what was an atrocity on the part of so-called democracy. The only hogwash around here is yours and the troll’s constant rhetorical yammering and bleating of elitist dogma spoon-fed to a gullible public for generations!

The Nazis had their idea of what constituted a “master race” too, son, and you’re hovering mighty close to that kind of judgemental attitude with your racist insinuations about a people and culture you know squat about. If they were totalitarian in their dealings with China, think back to Tiananmen Square and what the Chinese did to their own. Hell, think back to the American Civil War and see what Americans did to THEIR own!

We’re one big ‘happy’ family!
UH
November 6th, 2007 @ 2:48 am

Whether the bomb actually shortened the war or not is moot when the conflict didn’t even have to START in the first place!

Typical. Argue over fixing the barn door AFTER the horse gets out!
Ed Darrell
November 6th, 2007 @ 4:30 am

I guess you werenâ€™t listening too well(as is usual with the ignorant)when I referred to the Asian conflict at the beginning of my comment. In that, I stated that America had no concern whatsoever for the plight of the Chinese, whom they (America) considered a communist threat, and actually applauded the Japanese for â€œstanding against communismâ€ by invading China. How two-faced is that? Here YOU are, playing the great benefactor in your â€˜concernâ€™ for the plight of those that your parents didnâ€™t deem worthy of even living!

That’s pure hooey. China wasn’t communist when the Japanese invaded. The U.S. didn’t consider China a communist threat then because it wasn’t, nor was the U.S. considering that a benefit. It’s total fabrication to claim the U.S. thought the Japanese invasion was “standing against communism.” There were Americans who advocated Japan’s “right” to establish an empire, just as there were Americans who thought the Germans on the correct side in Europe, in the 1930s. But you ascribe much later anti-communist views to a U.S. that simply didn’t have such ideas at the time, and you ascribe a communist government to China that didn’t exist until well after the Japanese were defeated, and after a civil war in China.
Hugenot
November 6th, 2007 @ 6:46 am

Many people seem to believe that if there’s two choices one must be good and the other evil. Often, however, both are evil and the lesser evil must be chosen. Bombing Hiroshima was (probably) the lesser of two evils. It was still an evil, brutal and cowardly act.
kayinmaine
November 6th, 2007 @ 8:35 am

I read on a neocon blog recently in the comment section that the Japanese refused to surrender and said they would if these bombs were dropped and even after they were, they didn’t surrender right off the bat. So, was it really a heroic act if the Japanese leaders were waiting around for these bombs to be dropped? I don’t think so.

My opinion still stands the same. If George Bush instructs his fly boys to drop a nuke on Iraq, Iran, or even Pakistan, I will not embrace it. I will spit on that asshole too!

I’d love to see a nuclear-free world, but that isn’t going to happen. Too many big egos in powerful positions!
AJ
November 6th, 2007 @ 10:50 am

“Whether the bomb actually shortened the war or not is moot when the conflict didnâ€™t even have to START in the first place!

Typical. Argue over fixing the barn door AFTER the horse gets out!”

Typical person who hasn’t studied their history. When you say didn’t have to start in the first place do you mean diplomacy? Maybe imposing sanctions like many say should happen in Iran?

If you’d studied your history you’d know that the US had been actively pressuring Japan, who had been an aggressor into China, to withdraw. When diplomatic pressure failed to yield results they tried economic pressure, hence the oil embargo.

Please tell me how this war could have been avoided? Remember in Europe England and France tried to appease Hitler, and that got them in the same position, war.
UH
November 6th, 2007 @ 11:05 am

#322

The Communist party was established as early as 1921 in China, and WAS considered a threat prior to 1941 and it’s eventual nationalization in 1949. The beginning of the 1930’s would see a steady encroachment of Marxism, and despite your attempts to rewrite history, would pose a concern to other nations at that time, the US being no exception.

Kay, nuclear power is a useful energy alternative, but NUTCASE politicians and warmongering elitists make it into something evil. So, because of those bastards, we all suffer for want of an efficient energy alternative. One can’t even mention the term “nuclear” without a negative connotation applied to it.

So, as usual, because of the nut-bars in the world, the world has to limit itself to more expensive and dirtier forms of energy. And as for war, well, all of the trolls here are for that by their comments. Tibbets is just a tool to them… an icon they use to push their martial philosophy upon everyone else. They really don’t give a rat’s ass about Tibbets the man at all, or society, for that matter.

As long as THEY don’t have to fight, that is!
UH
November 6th, 2007 @ 11:26 am

#325

“If youâ€™d studied your history youâ€™d know that the US had been actively pressuring Japan, who had been an aggressor into China, to withdraw. When diplomatic pressure failed to yield results they tried economic pressure, hence the oil embargo.”

Here we go again! Another one that doesn’t read very well, but has lot’s to say. My whole point in this discussion was NOT to deny the Asian conflict (now pay attention!) only to establish what the American public’s sentiment toward China’s political concerns were. And I hope the other ‘professors’ acknowledge that YOU have acknowledged my comments on the US employing oil embargoes and other pressure tactics which led to the Japanese aggression toward the US.

And another point lost on those programmed by generations of elitist dogma is that no one nation has the right to dictate terms for any other, and even if America doesn’t like the politics of any other nation, or what it does to it’s neighbors, that doesn’t give it the sovereign right to police them! That’s why we’re always in a state of war with SOMEONE, because American imperialism just can’t not TOUCH!

War is NEVER a viable alternative, unless a definite en masse invasion upon one’s own soil occurs! And I hope you’re not going to do a real stupid and tell me that’s what happened on 911! I’d really be disappointed! (But not surprised.)

If nations would stop meddling in one another’s affairs, there would be no problems. Unfortunately, the globalist attitude is FIXED upon society, now, and the “New World Order” world-commune bullshit has everyone snowed into thinking society can’t live as independent sovereign nations.
AJ
November 6th, 2007 @ 12:26 pm

#327,

Interesting side-stepping of the issue. How would you have stopped WW2? You stated the war didn’t have to start? So I’m listening as to how you would have stopped it when one side doesn’t care and will lie to you to get you to turn your back then stab you in the back. How do you negotiate with someone who doesnâ€™t keep their word? How would you have dealt with Germany, Italy and Japan? Ignored them?
AJ
November 6th, 2007 @ 12:42 pm

“War is NEVER a viable alternative, unless a definite en masse invasion upon oneâ€™s own soil occurs! And I hope youâ€™re not going to do a real stupid and tell me thatâ€™s what happened on 911! Iâ€™d really be disappointed! (But not surprised.)”

I generally don’t talk about 9/11 because too many people are nut cases when it comes to that. Surprised I haven’t heard that UFOs really did it, and it was all an illusion, the buildings are really still standing we just can see them or the people because they’ve been sent to another dimension. *all sarcasm* (if you believe any of this, I have some ocean front properity in Arizona I want to sell you)
UH
November 6th, 2007 @ 2:50 pm

#328

“Interesting side-stepping of the issue.”

You were the one that did that, not me, stupid. Read my comments from the beginning, dummy.

“How would you have dealt with Germany, Italy and Japan? Ignored them?”

Yup. Exactly. And that’s what would have happened if a corrupt hierarchy controlling the US Government hadn’t set up Pearl Harbor. You probably would have nuked them… right Einstein?

And as for buying your ocean front property, hey… if you were stupid enough to buy it in the first place, don’t expect me to bail you out!

Go back to sleep, clueless! Bu$h wants you to!
Strength Package Bravo
November 6th, 2007 @ 3:40 pm

Kuchinich believes when the New York govenor proposed giving illegal aliens drivers liscenses he thought he meant giving space aliens liscenses! Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!

He believes that! Just like liberals believe Bush and Cheney brought down the WTC’s! Loons!

Edited by Kay:

How many ILLEGAL aliens are going to run down to get their picture taken for these IDs? Do you know, Brain Surgeon? And how do you know Spitzer isn’t using this as a backdoor to round up the illegals? Ever think of that, Cannonball Head?
grantinhouston
November 6th, 2007 @ 3:59 pm

World War II actually began right after WWI when primarily France and Great Britain forced a most vindictive Versailles Treaty upon Germany, plunging the latter into an economic depression which eventually helped Hitler appear to be the savior of the German people. The treaty, which formally ended the war, did little to address unresolved issues and actually promoted international distrust and resentment. The ensuing harsh economic conditions, first affecting the German people, then spread, devastating millions of people as the economic depression spread to most parts of the world.

Strong feelings of resentment, guilt, and fierce anger plagued the disillusioned citizens of the countries involved, and overrode thoughts of reason in much of the world. If world leaders had addressed these issues at the time and taken steps to create international trust, cooperated to lessen economic burdens, and defused resentment among Europeâ€™s citizens, World War II might have been avoided.

Hitler and his fascist team then built upon the resentment, and promoted rampant nationalism as a tool to consolidate power, with the resulting jingoism promoted by his propagandists blinding most of the German people. Many Germans finally realized they had helped to birth a monster, but by then, it was too late to oppose the Reich, as the borders had all been fenced, there was little chance to escape. It was fight for the Reich or go to the concentration camps.

Then there was Stalin developing his great power in the vacuum of other nations more obsessed with their own agendas. Would Stalin have not gone so far if not for a divided Europe? What would have been the history of the Soviet Union then? No cold war, no Korea, no Vietnam, etc.! Sadly, diplomacy is often overlooked for the “easier” approach, going to war. Plus the latter is more profitable for many in the military/industrial complex.

The U.S. doesn’t have clean hands, either. Hitler also had help from Americans to build his Reich, industrialists, bankers, etc., folks like Thomas Watson of IBM, Henry Ford, Prescott Bush, and others to help him build up his Reich.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/200104u/pp2001-04-04

Sure, by the late 30’s, attempts at diplomacy were probably futile but such overtures should have been made years earlier. “History” is often part of a nation’s own propaganda often under the control of our politicians. What we have learned in our schools here sometimes is not the history that children in other nations learn. The history of our times may be somewhat different in the future when current prejudices and political agendas no longer matter.
Ming the Merciless
November 6th, 2007 @ 6:11 pm

First off, the communist bitch have let you all’s comments stand
simply because she don’t know how to erase them…

Second, The Japs murdered more defenseless civilian people, fact, twice as many as Gengis Khan
and they did it the same manner, with saber and bayonet, one by one, millions
of them, just for sadistic pleasure.

And practically no one have paid for it, thank to King Mac Arthur’s protection!!!

They should have nuke the ugly creeps until none of their sordid kind was left!!!

All these leftards do here is justify all the tyrants, Hitler, Stalin, Mao etc…who where all swell
and for everything, it’s all America’s fault.

I hope to live long enough to see these creepy slimes hung alongside the Muslim invaders!!!

GIVE WAR A CHANCE!!!

IT RID US OF GERMANS, JAPANESES AND BANKRUPTED RUSSIA.

SYRIA, SAUDIA AND IRAN TO GO!!!

Edited by Kay:

Actually, the comments are here because I believe (most days unless I’m fed up with you bottom feeders!) in the freedom of speech, whereas, you assholes have proven to me over and over that you don’t like it at all! I could delete the whole post taking the comments with it, but I won’t. Why? Because I’m not a surrender monkey like you say I am! Ha ha.

If a nuke is dropped on America, I’ll take it to mean it’s an act of love and kindness according to you reich wing trolls.
Ming the Merciless
November 6th, 2007 @ 6:22 pm

Hey, commie whore, my e-mail is:Hotspur666@breakthrough.com and IP is cgocable.ca pffft!!!

Cowardly Cheeze Eating Surrender GUENON!!!
James Bone
November 6th, 2007 @ 6:47 pm

Ming the Moron:

Learn to spell, asshole! What a retard… can’t form sentences, can’t spell, can’t organize a thought…

Give war a chance? Hey, I hear they need landmine detectors over in “Eye-rack”… there’s your chance, dung beetle! Give war a chance! Welfare obviously ain’t workin’ for ya!

Must suck to be a fool in the 21st. Century!
kindawannasometimes
November 6th, 2007 @ 8:09 pm

Comment 290: “What did Bush do during Vietnam? Did he volunteer to fight in Vietnam or did he hide out under Daddyâ€™s coat?”

BILL CLINTON=DRAFT DODGER
BILL CLINTON=DRAFT DODGER
BILL CLINTON=DRAFT DODGER

DENNIS KUCINICH=DRAFT DODGER
DENNIS KUCINICH=DRAFT DODGER
dENNIS KUCINICH=DRAFT DODGER

JOHN EDWARDS=DRAFT DODGER
JOHN EDWARDS=DRAFT DODGER
jOHN EDWARDS=DRAFT DODGER

Comment 41 by Kay: “I woke up this morning still hating what Tibbetts did and I still hate war!”

Comment 9 by Kay: “I donâ€™t like torture, raping, bombing, poisoning, and killing.”

We can gather from her words that Kay hates war.

We can gather from her words that Kay disapproves of “torture, raping, bombing, poisoning, and killing.”

Kay must really hate Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Madeleine Albright and Wesley Clark then for all the thousands and thousands of deaths of innocent civilians they are responsible for in Bosnia – Kosovo and Iraq.

Clinton’s economic sanctions on Iraq that put an embargo on such things as medicine killed – depending on whose figures one goes by – between 300,000 – 600-000 babies and Iraqi children.

You must really hate Clinton and Clark for all the bombings in Bosnia, which killed tens of thousands of babies, children and elderly people.

And you must really hate the UN Blue Helmets who were found guilty of raping young kills, and killing civilians.

But you would never admit this because then you would find fault, blame and disapprove of your own Progressive party, the one of which you are a member.

Oh wait, no you won’t condemn them, because then you have to condemn your own political party, right?

Kay claims that she hates death, death of Iraqis, death of soldiers – but she loves the death of people like Paul Tibbets.

Kay loves Death. Don’t pretend you don’t Kay – otherwise you will be a hypocrite which you claim you are not.

Kay doesn’t care if women are raped. She cheered on the raping of Nanking. Oh wait, she doesn’t know that the rape of Nanking is. She probably thinks it’s “Nan King”, a person.

KKKay loves death, bombing and destruction when its done by a Democrat Administration.

Kay loves when babies and children die when its done by Democrats and people like Wesley Clark.

She just doesn’t approve when the same thing is done by Republicans.

See how consistent and logical she is?

THE FOLLOWING ESCAPE CRITICISM FROM KAY BECAUSE THEY ARE DEMOCRATS:

WESLEY CLARK=MURDERER OF THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS IN BOSNIA

BILL CLINTON=DRAFT DODGER, EMBARGO OF MEDICINE TO IRAQ ALLOWING CHILDREN AND OLD PEOPLE TO DIE

MADELINE ALBRIGHT=EMBARGO OF MEDICINE TO IRAQ LETTING CHILDREN AND OLD PEOPLE DIE

DENNIS KUCINICH=DRAFT DODGER

JOHN EDWARDS=DRAFT DODGER

LYNDON JOHNSON=MASS MURDERER, SENT THOUSANDS OF U.S. BOYS TO THEIR DEATHS IN ‘NAM

JIMM CARTER=MASS MURDERER WITH OPERATION EAGLE CLAW

KAY=LOUD, UNEDUCATED, LOUD, REMOVED FROM REALITY, LOUD AND FACT-CHALLENGED

Kay, since you’re so against violence, if you were attacked we would expect you to completely appease the attacker because fighting back would be violent and wrong.

All KKKay does is parrot a line or phrase she picks up on ABlog or DU. She’s not smart enough to come up with any original thoughts or ideas. She simply parrots hatred and discrimination.

She’s a nobody.

KAY=LOUD, OVERLY-SIMPLISTIC, HYSTERICAL, HATER, SINGLE-MOM(=BIG SURPRISE!)

KAY=TEXT BOOK CASE OF “A LITTLE KNOWLEDGE IS A DANGEROUS THING”

Edited by Kay:

Wow neocon knuckledragging troll. I obviously hit a nerve! Good for me. *slapping myself five*

Here’s a little tidbit for ya:

GEORGE BUSH = HID UNDER DADDY’S COAT TAILS TO AVOID GOING TO VIETNAM

DICK CHENEY = FIVE DEFERMENTS

RUSH LIMBAUGH = ANAL CYST, SO HE COULDN’T HOLD A GUN IN VIETNAM APPARENTLY! DEFERMENT.
count alucard
November 6th, 2007 @ 8:26 pm

kay has no problem and is reserved from many any criticism when democrats commit acts of violence against America.

Oklahoma City Bombing under Clinton and the arab men with Tim McVeigh? Oh, those killings were just fine with KKKay because it was done under a democrat.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-1678779-details/Iraqis+linked+to+Oklahoma+atrocity+/article.do

Edited by Kay:

What happened that day was an abomination. Of course, Tim McVeigh was a disgruntled soldier who served under Bush Sr. and he stated that he didn’t like what we did in Iraq back then.

I don’t like killing, murder, bombing, raping, or torturing. I’ve made that perfectly clear in every post I’ve done on my blog. I bet you do though, huh neocon????
grantinhouston
November 6th, 2007 @ 10:53 pm

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing in the heads of trolls. To debunk a few things….

John Edwards wasn’t old enough for any draft until the LAST one during the Vietnam War on February 2, 1972 lottery, when his number was 179. He was already an undergrad at the U of North Carolina at the time, graduating in 1974 when he then entered law school. He was not a draft dodger.

Dennis Kucinich’s draft number was 283 and he was not called up while he was attending Cleveland State and Case Western Reserve U. A student deferment was a better reason for not being drafted than college “flunk-out” Rush Limpballs who claimed to have a cyst on his ass in order to get a medical deferment.

As for “tens of thousands” killed in the Serbian war, do some research rather than rely on reich-wing talking points:

Yugoslavia claimed that NATO attacks caused between 1,200 and 5,700 civilian casualties. NATO acknowledged killing at most 1,500 civilians. Human Rights Watch counted a minimum of 488 civilian deaths (90 to 150 of them killed from cluster bomb use) in 90 separate incidents. In the NATO air war, not one U.S. soldier was killed. Unlike Iraq, the U.S. was part of a REAL coalition of NATO nations.

Jimmy Carter a “mass murderer”….what a joke, but once again, not surprised by the ignorance of the poster who doesn’t bother doing any research. Due to a sand storm, Operation Eagle Claw failed. The only deaths were three USMC aircrew who died in their RH-53D helicopter when it collided with a C-130, killing 5 airmen aboard. Carter was being blamed for not bringing the Iranian hostage crisis to an end. Reagan and Bush made a secret deal to illegally sell weapons to the Iranians (through an Israeli middleman) IF Iran held onto our Americans until after the election. At the moment of Reagan’s inaugural address, Iran honored their part of the deal with Reagan and freed them. Then Poppy Bush pardoned all of the Iran-Contra convicts as he was leaving office in 1993.

And where was George W. Bush during the LOST last 17 months of his Texas Air National Guard obligation when he was AWOL (really was a deserter due to the time involved). Funny how every vet I know has no problem getting their whole military career on microfilm, down to every shot they ever were given, BUT it so happens that ALL of George W. Bush’s military records were LOST! How convenient!!
Missouri Mule
November 7th, 2007 @ 12:28 am

It absolutely astonishes me with the revisionism of history by the loony left here. Such statements that all wars are avoidable. Like we should have ignored Pearl Harbor. That we should have ignored the butchering of millions in the death camps of Europe and Japan.

I don’t know what is in the water than you drink but I think some of Timothy Leary’s leftover LSD must have gotten there.

Has any of you actually talked to a surviving WWII vet who had his orders to report to the Pacific theater? That’s a yes or no question. That’s why the bomb was dropped.

Tibbetts is a great American hero that will be remembered as such by all red blooded American patriots. His name will not be dragged through the mud by those who despise America as I sense several here do. This is why the Dumbocrats don’t elect presidents anymore. That left-wing party, formerly of FDR, Truman and Kennedy has been taken over by screwballs and their brand of lunacy. Your time is up. Get over it. You’re not going to have your Marxist paradise here in the United States, the land of the free and the home of the brave. But you are welcome to emigrate to Cuba, North Korea or even Chavezland. They’ll throw their arms open to embrace you. And don’t let the door hit you in the buttocks on the way out.

Edited by Kay:

If you had read my comments you would have seen that I said if I had stated Tibbetts dropped the bomb on Jamaica, it still wouldn’t matter! Get it? He is not a hero in my book. He is a coward. There is nothing you and your troll friends can say to change my mind. Nothing!
James Bone
November 7th, 2007 @ 12:55 am

*Wrapped in flag, smoking corncob pipe, and goose-stepping to the last paragraph of #338*

Deutschland, Deutschland Ã¼ber alles,
Ãœber alles in der Welt,
Wenn es stets zu Schutz und Trutze
BrÃ¼derlich zusammenhÃ¤lt,
Von der Maas bis an die Memel,
Von der Etsch bis an den Belt
Deutschland, Deutschland Ã¼ber alles,
Ãœber alles in der Welt.

Heil Boosh und Cheney! Amerikanisch Schweinen!

*Goose-stepping off into sunset*
Traitor Baitor
November 7th, 2007 @ 1:42 am

Mr Mule

It not LSD its the new drug “Butthash” Its fermented shit and piss

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/1105072jenkem1.html
warrior
November 7th, 2007 @ 11:50 am

How dare you besmirch the name of an honorable man, and by extension, all the honorable men that gave their all so you can spew your garbage.
AJ
November 7th, 2007 @ 1:20 pm

I believe that Paul Tibbetts did the right thing, besides he was the pilot, show how little people know. A PILOT, if you knew anything you’d know it was Major Thomas Ferebee, the bombardier who actually caused the plane to drop the bomb.

My personal opinion of the Atomic bombs comes from a teacher I once had in 8th grade. He’d been assigned to the 7th wave of the invasion force of Japan and firmly believed the atomic bombs saved his life. He’d be very disappointed he fought for your freedom if he was still alive today. He’d also be quite diappointed in some people’s view on history (UH’s) and how little they actually know. UH go spent a few more years reading about it and try talking to those few who are left, you might actually learn something!
Murph
November 7th, 2007 @ 7:14 pm

â€œWhat did Bush do during Vietnam? Did he volunteer to fight in Vietnam or did he hide out under Daddyâ€™s coat?â€

GWB flew the most dangerous Fighter jet of it’s time ignoramus. Do some research on just how dangerous the F-102 was and how many pilots were killed “TRYING” to flying it. You would have friggin heart attack just climbing the ladder to get in to the cockpit.

“Much of the USAF F-102 fleet was also transferred to Air National Guard units that became increasingly responsible for defending the continental US from nuclear bombers during the 1960s and 1970s”.

It must really suck being a a total idiot but your reputation precedes you.
kindawannasometimes
November 7th, 2007 @ 8:38 pm

John Edwards born in 1953. By 1971 he was elegible for military service – age 18. He was in college? so what? He dodged the draft. Nice attempt at spin you made, good effort.

Got a link on the Kucinich info you list? Why not? Is it bullshit? Probably so.

Grantinhouston, where do you get your numbers on the figures of dead in Bosnia Kosovo war? From a US source? NATO? UN? Try a Bosnian source, think they might be reliable?:

KOSOVO:
According to Dragan PopoviÄ‡, who administers the project, the Foundation has by now documented 9,702 people dead or missing during the war in Kosovo. Of this number, as things stand now , 4,903 killed and missing are Albanians and 2,322 are Serbs, with the rest either belonging to other nationalities or their ethnic identity remaining uncertain. â€˜According to a rough estimateâ€™, PopoviÄ‡ told Globus, â€˜between 10,000 and 12,000 Albanians and around 2,500 Serbs were killed or went missing in 1998-2000. Our research will show the extent to which this estimate is close to the truth.â€™

CROATIA:
Up to the year 2000, the number of dead and missing was judged to be between 16,000 and 17,500.

Croatian government reckons with the death and disappearance of 13,500 of its citizens.

Summary
The IDC data-base as of 31 December 2006 contains the names, and a description of the manner of death, of 97,826 victims, of whom 66.11% are Bosniaks, 25.54% are Serbs, 7.85% are Croats, and 0.5% are others. Most of the dead and missing are soldiers (59%), rather than civilians (41%). â€˜Our statistics do not include those who died during the war from frost and hunger, or babies who died in incubators due to electricity failureâ€™, says Larisa Musulin from IDC.

Now we all know Bush haters like you, Grant, will count any incidental death in Iraq and blame it on Bush adding that death to the number count of Iraqis killed because of “Bushes War”. Right?

KAY=TEXT BOOK CASE OF â€œA LITTLE KNOWLEDGE IS A DANGEROUS THINGâ€

No KKKay, you didn’t hit a huge “never”. Its just so easy to tweak a kneejerk hosebag like you.

Nice comment Murph on GWB flying F-102s in response to the idiots who falsely claim Bush hid under Daddy’s coat.
Hardyharhar
November 7th, 2007 @ 8:47 pm

KKKay’s dad is a coward because he served in the Army. He is a reich winger, goose-stepping, baby killing turd.

KKKay’s brother is a coward, a baby killer and a reich wing knuckle-dragger because he served in the Air Force.

KKKay’s cousin Scotty was in the first Persian Gulf War & todayâ€™s Iraq illegal invasion. Scotty is a warmonger, a coward and a baby killer.

KKKay’s cousin Phil was in the first Persian Gulf War and this means that Phil is a coward, a baby killer, a warmonger and a reich wing knuckle-dragger.

KKKay’s cousin Paula is in the Army. This means she is a warmonger, a baby killer, a reich winger, a coward and a knuckle-dragger.

KKKay’s uncle was in the Korean War. This means he is a is a warmonger, a baby killer, a reich winger, a coward and a knuckle-dragger.
count alucard
November 7th, 2007 @ 8:53 pm

Feel free to clearly ingore the conspiracy and massive cover-up of the Arabic-men, John Doe #2 and #3 connected to the OK City bombing. It’s fine with you that Clinton and Reno covered that up, isn’t it, Kay? You only bitch when enemy blood is shed by a Republican is in the White House. Thats all that matters to you is complete party loyalty. Heh – funny – ‘cuz that’s all that mattered to Hitler and his fascist little regime. You’re just like Hitler Kay, just like him.
kindawannasometimes
November 7th, 2007 @ 9:02 pm

comment # 338 Grantinhouston

‘Reagan and Bush made a secret deal to illegally sell weapons to the Iranians (through an Israeli middleman) IF Iran held onto our Americans until after the election. At the moment of Reaganâ€™s inaugural address, Iran honored their part of the deal with Reagan and freed them.’

Gee that’s sure a funny accusation you make when a Democrat congress investigated just what you wrote and – twice, the House and the Senate investigations reached the same conclusion:

a 1992 report concluded that “by any standard, the credible evidence now known falls far short of supporting the allegation of an agreement between the Reagan campaign and Iran to delay the release of the hostages.”

Yep Grant, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing in the heads of trolls… stupid, blind by party loyalty trolls like you who sum everything up like this: Liberalism good; everything else bad.
Missouri Mule
November 8th, 2007 @ 1:30 am

“Edited by Kay:

If you had read my comments you would have seen that I said if I had stated Tibbetts dropped the bomb on Jamaica, it still wouldnâ€™t matter! Get it? He is not a hero in my book. He is a coward. There is nothing you and your troll friends can say to change my mind. Nothing!”
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Would it have been better if Japan had nuked the U.S.? After Germany threw in the towel one of their U-boats was headed for Japan with nuclear material for the Japanese to make their own nukes to nuke us.

Are American lives worth less to you than other groups? One would think so.

You know of course that we only got into the nuclear business because Einstein came to the United States from Europe where he made it clear to our government that Germany was working on the atomic bomb. Otherwise the Manhatten Project would never have been started. It was began in order to counter Germany but Germany was taken out of the war before Japan was and Japan stubbornly refused to surrender.

What I don’t get is that you have essentially two options to choose from. 1) You would have negotiated a “peace” with Japan short of a total surrender, or 2) you would have pursued a land invasion of Japan in order to bring the war to a conclusion.

This is a simple question. Which option (1) or (2) would you prefer?
grantinhouston
November 8th, 2007 @ 4:35 am

To get the draft “lottery” number of anyone of draft age during the Vietnam era, all one needs is a birth date and the appropriate lottery (See link below). Kucinich was eligible for the December 1, 1969 lottery and he drew a high number, 283, and the highest number called up for military service from that pool was #195. Edwards, born in 1953 was eligible for the February 2, 1972 lottery. Edwards, being in the last callup in 1972, had a mid-range lottery number of 178 and due to the winding down of the war, those drafted that year held numbers up to and including #95. Then in July, 1973, the draft was totally abolished. So neither Kucinich or Edwards are draft dodgers since THEY WERE NEVER DRAFTED! Plus they were in college at the time and like most students had automatic education deferments in most cases, as long as they kept up a high enough grade point average.

http://www.sss.gov/lotter1.htm

I used the data of Human Rights Watch for casualty figures in the Serbian conflicts due to NATO bombing/strafing. There were NOT “tens of thousands” killed (per our TROLL) as result of NATO bombings, in which the U.S. participated as a partner. HRW is a neutral agency and was critical of NATO in their report, not exactly a cheerleader for death and destruction:

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2000/nato/Natbm200.htm#P88_14845

Probably we will never know of the number of deaths caused by the civil war between Serbs, Kosovars, Bosnians, Croats, Albanians, etc. as there were wholesale massacres, mass graves, ethnic cleansing, all reasons why NATO finally stepped in for humanitarian reasons.

BTW, we Texans are so grateful for our “Deserter-in-Chief” keeping our skies safe from the Vietnamese Air Force (that didn’t exist).

http://www.ericblumrich.com/topgun.html
Ed Darrell
November 8th, 2007 @ 6:14 am

I’d like to see a citation for the claim that Germany was sending nuclear material to Japan. I don’t think Germany had any material to send, nor was there a program advanced enough in Japan to use it. This was the topic of the famous meeting with Heisenberg in Copenhagen. Heck, even the play got the facts right.

Einstein signed the letter to Roosevelt on behalf of other scientists, but Einstein had no first-hand knowledge of Germany’s efforts to build a bomb. Einstein also played almost no other role in the Manhattan Project.

But you’re right in the conclusions, MM. I’ve long agonized over alternative possibilities. Especially after Iwo Jima, Saipan and Okinawa, the expectations were for millions of casualties on both sides, ten or twenty times the number of soldiers and civilians who died in the bomb blasts. I am unaware of any contrary predictions, even by the Japanese.

C’mon over to my blog and look at my post on the Okinawa mass suicides, too. I’m not sure an atom bomb isn’t less of a horror.
Missouri Mule
November 9th, 2007 @ 12:44 am

Ed, I gave my citations for this German transfer of nuclear material (or attempted transfer) and the post was removed. I guess the truth must hurt. Can’t let that get ahead of an ideologue, can we? This was amply covered on the History Channel not that long ago. Little known but it is a historical fact.

Edited by Kay:

Paranoid? You are the type that will believe the propaganda, now aren’t you! Bush & Cheney are spewing theirs all the time and you run and hide, now don’t ya???

I bet you do, pansy.
Ed Darrell
November 9th, 2007 @ 1:18 am

Maybe it just went into spam because you posted more than two links? Kayinmaine, can you check the spam filters for Mizzou Mule’s post?
Missouri Mule
November 9th, 2007 @ 2:09 am

I was trying to give more than just one link. I gave exactly two. Since this is historical fact it cannot be disputed. The post originally appeared and when I checked back it was gone. I thought it might have been pulled although I was responding to your specific request. Took a little digging around but I had seen this program on the History Channel not that long ago so I knew there had to be something else to link to.

I cannot overemphasize how strongly the American people felt at that time. The public was sick and tired of the war and virtually every family felt the pain and sorrow of losing a loved one. My grandmother had to wait for nine months to find out whether her “missing in action” son (my uncle) was still alive. He was on the second wave at Omaha Beach but was captured and spent nine months in a German prison camp. Because the Germans knew they were going to lose the war (although Hitler didn’t accept that) he was treated fairly well. Most people don’t know or appreciate that just four months prior to Hitler blowing his brains out, the Battle of the Bulge took place, which was the largest land operation in world military history. We lost over 19,000 American dead in that one operation alone. Our folks in the Japanese area were treated horribly which is one reason that McArthur summarily hanged some 500 Japanese prison commandantes so they wouldn’t wiggle off a war crimes tribunal as many higher ups later did.

One only has to talk to one of the surviving WWII vets with orders to report for the expected invasion of the Japanese homeland to appreciate how grateful they were that the bombs were dropped. To a man they assumed they would be killed and frankly that is how many of them survived the war. They assumed they would be killed, even over in Europe and because they did they would not be dissappointed but only overjoyed if they actually did survive. One only has to see the joy in the streets of America at the time to know how palpable the relief was at the end of the war. 16,000,000 Americans wore uniforms during that war and we lost approximately 410,000 dead Americans and many more wounded. In total some 60,000,000 human beings died during that conflict. Today’s generation has no concept of the sacrifice that went into winning that unavoidable war. No concept nor apparent appreciation. That’s a terrible shame.

Edited by Kay:

It’s called war propaganda. Yes there were REAL threats back then. Christ, we had German U-boats off the coast of Portland, Maine during WWII. No matter what was going on back then, still today, I don’t see or view Tibbets as a hero. I see him as a coward. He spent his whole life profiting from dropping the A-bomb. Disgusting! He’s a jackass too.
hardyharhar
November 9th, 2007 @ 7:27 pm

WHAT? NO RESPONSE FROM KKKAY ON MY COMMENTS?

IS THAT BECAUSE SHE CANT DEFEND HERSELF FROM WHAT SHE CALLS OTHER MILITARY SOLDIERS AND HOW HER OWN FAMILIY IS A BUNCH OF REICH WING BOOTLICKING NAZI BABY KILLERS?

KKKayâ€™s dad is a coward because he served in the Army. He is a reich winger, goose-stepping, baby killing turd.

KKKayâ€™s brother is a coward, a baby killer and a reich wing knuckle-dragger because he served in the Air Force.

KKKayâ€™s cousin Scotty was in the first Persian Gulf War & todayâ€™s Iraq illegal invasion. Scotty is a warmonger, a coward and a baby killer.

KKKayâ€™s cousin Phil was in the first Persian Gulf War and this means that Phil is a coward, a baby killer, a warmonger and a reich wing knuckle-dragger.

KKKayâ€™s cousin Paula is in the Army. This means she is a warmonger, a baby killer, a reich winger, a coward and a knuckle-dragger.

KKKayâ€™s uncle was in the Korean War. This means he is a is a warmonger, a baby killer, a reich winger, a coward and a knuckle-dragger.
hardyharhar
November 9th, 2007 @ 7:29 pm

WHAT? NO RESPONSE FROM KKKAY ON MY COMMENTS?

IS THAT BECAUSE SHE CANT DEFEND HERSELF FROM WHAT SHE CALLS OTHER MILITARY SOLDIERS AND HOW HER OWN FAMILIY IS A BUNCH OF REICH WING BOOTLICKING NAZI BABY KILLERS?

KKKayâ€™s dad is a coward because he served in the Army. He is a reich winger, goose-stepping, baby killing turd.

KKKayâ€™s brother is a coward, a baby killer and a reich wing knuckle-dragger because he served in the Air Force.

KKKayâ€™s cousin Scotty was in the first Persian Gulf War & todayâ€™s Iraq illegal invasion. Scotty is a warmonger, a coward and a baby killer.

KKKayâ€™s cousin Phil was in the first Persian Gulf War and this means that Phil is a coward, a baby killer, a warmonger and a reich wing knuckle-dragger.

KKKayâ€™s cousin Paula is in the Army. This means she is a warmonger, a baby killer, a reich winger, a coward and a knuckle-dragger.

KKKayâ€™s uncle was in the Korean War. This means he is a is a warmonger, a baby killer, a reich winger, a coward and a knuckle-dragger.

all of them, baby killing reich winger boot licking nazis who hate America. All of them. ALL OF THEM!!!!!!!

Edited by Kay:

Wow. A little obsessed are we? I bet you long for me every night and you are so upset because you’re a knuckle dragging neocon with no life instead of a liberal man with a brain in his head! Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. Too bad for you, neocon. I don’t date toads. LOL
gomerpyle
November 9th, 2007 @ 7:34 pm

Christ, we had German U-boats off the coast of Portland, Maine during WWII.

Its too bad they didn’t kill your parents thereby sparing us your hate and intolerence. I spit on your parents and someday piss on their tombstones.
Missouri Mule
November 9th, 2007 @ 7:57 pm

Edited by Kay:

Itâ€™s called war propaganda. Yes there were REAL threats back then. Christ, we had German U-boats off the coast of Portland, Maine during WWII. No matter what was going on back then, still today, I donâ€™t see or view Tibbets as a hero. I see him as a coward. He spent his whole life profiting from dropping the A-bomb. Disgusting! Heâ€™s a jackass too.
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Kay, you still haven’t answered the salient question. You have two options facing the United States after Germany surrendered. The Japanese did not surrender no matter how strong we implored them to do so. Which option do you prefer? 1) A land invasion of the Japanese home island or 2) the nuclear option.

Given such a choice, and if you were one of the American dogfaces who were going to have to storm the beaches of Japan, which would you prefer be done? Try to put yourself in their shoes.

This is a simple question. You have already made it clear what you think of Tibbetts. Fine and good. Now tell that G.I. who has to put his life on the line what your decision will be. Imagine yourself in Harry Truman’s shoes. Do you invade or do you drop the bomb? That’s a simple and direct question. Please respond.
Missouri Mule
November 13th, 2007 @ 12:25 pm

Kay, why won’t you respond? I asked you a reasonable question. Surely you can provide a reasoned argument. I await your reply.
CDR DTW
November 16th, 2007 @ 5:35 pm

Damn! This place makes Deb Frisch look normal.
Ronald H Tibbetts
November 20th, 2007 @ 3:20 pm

i met paul tibbetts and im related to him believe it or not,(not that this has anything to do with me sticking on his side about this convosation) but all im saying is the words he told me which could not have been more simple for this whole situation i met him at a library in newport RI where he was doing book singing and to one of his old friends right there in front of me i witnessed him saying the following….”killed many, saved many more” now if that doesnt tell you that he knows what he has done but does know its for america’s own good….???? i don’t know what does…..
Tom Galloway
January 26th, 2008 @ 5:37 am

Um…fuck you, you bleeding, communist, dogsucking cunt. Scum like you need to be take up against the wall and shot. That is, after you’ve been thrown in some prison like Attica and gang raped until you can’t keep your shit from flowing.

I hope you look foreward to going to hell, because that’s where bastards like you wind up!
Jacques Miehopf
January 26th, 2008 @ 5:39 am

Hey, that picture of the fried body. Does your father know you’ve been posting that picture of your mom on your blog without his permission?
Joshua
April 19th, 2008 @ 4:33 am

As disgusted as I was when I finished reading the rant, I was overjoyed to see an outpouring of rational thought coming from nearly 250 people that found this website. For the most part, the responses have been factual and kind.

I would like to apologize for any of those who made personal remarks about you or your family.

Kay, there are very few people in the world, not just America, that would ever will a single person to die, soldier or civilian. However, the world operates on a grand scale and decisions cannot be made with the hindsight of 60 years. Even if they could, what is right in the moment could be wrong in 50 years and right again in 100, what information would we trust?

I understand your desperation and your rage toward this individual. While he may have done some dumb things in his life, I can assure you he agonized over those deaths externally or otherwise.

Try to take solace in the fact that we all try to make decisions based on our knowledge of right and wrong, as we learn it, and the facts as we know them.
kayinmaine
April 19th, 2008 @ 8:46 am

It’s my opinion and it still stands. Deal with it. If you think I HAVE to have the same opinion as you, then maybe it’s time for you to move to Uzbekistan where only one thought is allowed. Okay?

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