Paul Tibbetts died a coward today at the age of 92…

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Yep, the first man to drop an atomic bomb on innocent people died today. I spit on him.

This man, Paul Tibbetts,…

Piloted this…

And dropped this on Hiroshima, Japan…

Causing this, other horrors, and thousands of instantaneous deaths…

Oh yeah, and here he is with the Senior President of the NRA in 2004…can’t forget that little tidbit…

Paul Tibbetts did not die a hero to America. I’m sorry, but it does not take a brave person to strap a bomb to a plane, fly high above a sleeping city, and then drop an atomic bomb on it! Only a coward could be proud of himself after doing something like that. You can argue that he was taking commands from his higher ups. That would be one thing…if he felt a shred of compassion as to what this one act on humanity did. Nope. All we got to hear over the years is ‘people were going to die anyways’, so dropping a bomb on this city killing 80-150,000 at once was the only way to save America. Oh please! Coward!

Not only was a he a typical reich winger throughout his life, meaning he had zero compassion for the people of our planet, but he managed to be the typical reich winger upon his death by being a coward. Why? He told his loved ones that he didn’t want a stone or a marker for his grave. Why? Well, apparently this “big brave reich winger” didn’t want Americans to stand around his grave protesting what he had done in WWII! Wow! If you’re a big brave hero who saved America, wouldn’t you think that you would want Americans TO USE THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS THAT YA FOUGHT FOR IN WORLD WAR II for the opportunity to dissent against your own barbarianism? Nope! Typical reich wing coward ole Tibbetts was.

Not surprised. Rest in peace if you can Paul! Spit. Good riddance.

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365 thoughts on “Paul Tibbetts died a coward today at the age of 92…

  1. I do go away Kay and then I come back because it is free for me. Whereas you have an emotional investment mine is purely factual and costs me nothing. You must spend precious amounts of feeling which must be conjured up. I just go to
    Wikipedia and gather facts. I remain composed and in control. Now just that quick I leave and maybe come back. Maybe not.

    Edited by Kay:

    You’re gonna find this shocking because you’re under the impression that the whole world loves you and waits around for you to say one of your “facts you get from Wikipedia”, but I have to tell you this: IF YOU FUCKING LEAVE I PROMISE I WON’T CRY! HONEST! IN FACT, I WON’T EVEN NOTICE YOU’RE GONE. MY DOG JASPER WON’T EVEN BARK EITHER WHEN YOU GO!

    See?

    I know you’re shocked. Most neocons are that are addicted to Kay’s opinion of them and who think they can eventually change my perception of them. Let me just say this again for the record: I FUCKING HATE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND EVERYTHING IT SAYS IT STANDS FOR. NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF WARMONGERING, LYING, STINKING, PERVERTED, THEIVES WHO WOULD RATHER DROP NUKES & BOMBS & POISON WHOLE AREAS, RATHER THAN FEED OR INSURE AMERICA’S CHILDREN!

    You suck lizard penises. Don’t make me say it again. I spit on all of you.

  2. #297

    “What’s so magic about nukes? Given a choice, I’d rather go in a flash myself…”

    Right on! So… you’ll be leaving us, then?
    :lol:

  3. Most people don’t know the reasons that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the targets since they were not strategic targets. The point was to drive home the message to the militarists who ran the Japanese government that they could not possibly hope to continue the war. Toyko was already firebombed into a cinder with tens of thousands of dead. To have bombed it would not have demonstrated the advantage that we had. What was not known is that we had shot our wad and dropped the only two nukes we had produced up to that time. The Emperor stepped in to end the war but was nearly stopped by an abortive military coup. He was considered a “God” by the Japanese masses. He prepared a tape to be played to the Japanese people that it was time to end the war and that was what stopped the war. A miliary coup planners were stopped as the tape was secreted away and they committed harikari. And the war ended.

    At that time the hatred for the Japanese was nearly universal in the United States and most people didn’t care if the entire Japanese nation was destroyed including the entire population. The American people was sick of the war and the American military planners were not certain we would be willing to suffer up to one million more American dead so the decision was easy for Truman to make. He did not even know of the bomb at the time he ascended to the presidency. He did not hesitate and the rest is history.

    To not have dropped the bomb would have resulted in his meeting the fate of Mussolini if the American people learned he failed to use the weapon that would have prevented those American deaths and by extention tens of millions of Japanese dead. To have stopped short of total victory would have been a slap in the face to all of the American troops who had given everything in this necessary war. Iwo Jima was fought in February and March of 1945 and resulted in 6,821 American dead and 19,189 wounded. The Japanese defenders took 20,703 dead and only 216 survived. What would it have been with an invasion of the Japanese home island?

    Paul Tibbetts was an American hero who saved countless American lives AND Japanese lives by doing what was required. We should never let historical revisionism overwhelm us with patent nonsense. Thank God for men like Tibbetts. And remember what Churchill said about war.

    “We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.” – Winston Churchill

  4. I guess you’d rather have had the invasion of Japan then. If you going to spit on someone at least have the common curitsy to offer another (preferably better) solution. however you seem like a lot of extremists, all talk little knowledge of reality.

  5. this ‘lady’ probably thinks 9/11 was an inside job

    “TOWER 7!” “TOWER 7!”

    deranged and stupid is no way to go through life – so you have a kid? great, another moron that will end up in jail.


    Edited by Kay:

    Can you explain why the FBI does not have Osama bin Laden on their website listed as one of the guys who was behind 9/11/01? Kind of strange don’t you think?

    I bet you believe Pat Tillman killed himself, huh, dumbass?

  6. #305

    If everyone is so interested in facts, why have my comments been totally ignored? (#259) You’re obviously not interested in anything but your own opinions, so we’ll deal with those:

    “At that time the hatred for the Japanese was nearly universal in the United States and most people didn’t care if the entire Japanese nation was destroyed including the entire population.”

    Oh… I see. That justifies everything! :roll: Public hatred of the Japanese and other foreigners was the result of a well-funded (taxpayer) political propaganda storm by an elitist-controlled government trying to push a very reluctant Japan into a fight to satisfy the banker’s requests for the US to get involved in the European conflict. So, responding like any nation would, having their resources and livelihood cut off, their national identity disgraced before the world, they retaliated… WITH THE FULL KNOWLEDGE OF THE US GOVERNMENT by attacking Pearl Harbor!

    “To not have dropped the bomb would have resulted in his meeting the fate of Mussolini if the American people learned he failed to use the weapon that would have prevented those American deaths and by extension tens of millions of Japanese dead. To have stopped short of total victory would have been a slap in the face to all of the American troops who had given everything in this necessary war.”

    Maybe if the European elite and a corrupt president hadn’t coerced Japan into a war in the first place, those American and Japanese deaths would have been prevented, also… ever think of that? No, because in this society, we always deal with the band-aid solutions and never the cause of the problem.

    Tibbets wasn’t any more a hero than the scullery maid working in the mess hall… EVERYONE did their part! He was just higher profile. But, like everything else in this society, you have to be on top of the pile to get any recognition… and be fashionably and politically correct.

    “We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.” – Winston Churchill

    Just to add to that – we sleep soundly IN SPITE of a totalitarian government controlled by rich financiers and industrial tycoons, because there are conscientious but ignorant people willing to fight in their wars which are nothing more than attempts by the rich to make themselves even richer at the expense of the “lesser” classes.

    Real history never gets told, does it? If you were an elitist, wouldn’t you have it that way, also?

    Edited by Kay:

    Have you noticed that our country is currently being run by fascist dictators like Hitler, who think they have a right to invade and attack any country they want, have the right to take away Habeas corpus, have the right to give themselves signing statements to ignore the laws of America, have the right to cage dissenters away from them, have the right to squash any kind of dissent, have the right to lie to our nation, have the right to torture human beings, and have the right to not provide the necessary armor to our soldiers while their fascist buddies bilk America out of billions of dollars a week!

    Seems bombing Japan years ago didn’t seem to make a difference, now has it? Ask Arlen Specter how he has contributed to Georgie & Dickie having more power than they should have!

    How embarrassing that you’ve not noticed this! I bet you’re one of those ‘good Germans’, huh? Spit.

  7. Others have amply pointed out Kay’s numerous intellectual and educational defects, so I won’t repeat them. Suffice to say that these anti-war douchebags have no idea of the real cost of freedom, and if they ever have to actually learn it, they will likely piss down their legs before running away, screaming like girls. Assclowns, all of ‘em.


    Edited by Kay:

    Speaking of the “real cost of freedom”……….LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE WHILE I STATE MY OPINIONS IN A FREE COUNTRY THAT ALLOWS ME TO! If you don’t like it, move to Pakistan.

  8. #308

    “…deranged and stupid is no way to go through life”

    I dunno… seems to have worked for you, shithead!

    #310

    Hey butt-face… you still here? The recruiter called, and wants your chickenshit ass front and center, pronto!

    Set an example, hero!

  9. I have wondered why Paul Tibbets wasn’t buried at Arlington with other heroes if he and his family were so concerned that his grave would be desecrated and therefore needed to go unmarked. There are spots at that cemetery that have guards 24/7 and I would think the whole cemetery would be safe from vandals. Supposedly he wanted cremation and his ashes spread on the English Channel over which he flew bombing missions. Details have been kept secret.

    Contrast with my uncle, who served in the Army Corps of Engineers, helping to build airstrips on Pacific islands even before there was a full surrender. This meant he and his crew would have snipers taking pot shots at them and he knows that he killed a few Japanese. He came home a changed man, very quiet, suffering PTSD the rest of his life. He would have recurring nightmares that the widows and children of the Japanese soldiers he killed were chasing him with swords. My aunt would have to shake him, awaken him and talk him back to reality. He died in a VA hospital of Alzheimer’s. After he no longer knew any family, my aunt remarked once she hoped he had also forgotten the nightmare of WWII. He was a Baptist deacon and he was hounded by guilt for killing, breaking the Ten Commandments, even if it was killing the enemy and also to ensure his survival and that of fellow Americans. For Paul Tibbets to sleep soundly for most of his 92 years, to not feel any guilt nor remorse for helping to kill hundreds of thousands of mostly innocent women, children, civilians (whom he once called “bastards”), I find strange and in a way inhuman.

  10. I suppose you would approve if the Japanese had done the same thing to Americans that they did to Chinese, and other Asian peoples…30,000,000 mostly civilians raped and murdered. It is a fact that Samurai swords killed more people in WWII than the two atom bombs that were dropped on Japan. Your ignorant piece simply shows that you have a total lack of education about the Pacific Theater in WWII. Either that or you are insane. You ought to be kissing the ground that General Tibbetts and others like him walked on. You literally owe your freedom, and your right to spew your liberal lunacy, to Tibbetts and other individials like him. God bless you General.

  11. has anyone noticed how kay has no life? check how often she is writing hatred. all the time. if shes not sleeping or working shes writing hatred. look at the clock time of her posts. all night long sometimes.

    so it should come as no surprse that shes a single mom. who in their right mind would want to spend time with such a hater?

    thats why shes angry folks, no men in her life, probably none for 13-14 yrs, the one time she did get laid and knocked up. thats the last time she had whooppee!

    no wonder shes so full of hate, especially towards men.

    kays Saturday night dates all begin and end with D cell batteries. then she returns to her hatred. what a sick creature she is.

    Edited by Kay:

    I have no life? How many email addresses have you used over the course of the last three days using my name in it? Huh, loser? You’re the obsessed one, not me pal!

    You are so full of hate, especially towards women. That’s why you’re angry….women find you revolting. None want to have kids with you! “Yuck!”, they say!

    On a Saturday night, you end up hanging with your friends all night because women find you revolting. You’re a sick creature and women immediately sense this. This is why you hang out on my blog all day and night and harass me in your email addresses. Weirdo!

  12. “Edited by Kay:

    Have you noticed that our country is currently being run by fascist dictators like Hitler, who think they have a right to invade and attack any country they want, have the right to take away Habeas corpus, have the right to give themselves signing statements to ignore the laws of America, have the right to cage dissenters away from them, have the right to squash any kind of dissent, have the right to lie to our nation, have the right to torture human beings, and have the right to not provide the necessary armor to our soldiers while their fascist buddies bilk America out of billions of dollars a week!

    Seems bombing Japan years ago didn’t seem to make a difference, now has it? Ask Arlen Specter how he has contributed to Georgie & Dickie having more power than they should have!

    How embarrassing that you’ve not noticed this! I bet you’re one of those ‘good Germans’, huh? Spit.”
    ===============================================================
    Yes, I am a “good German” to use your words. I’m proud of my heritage which happens to be German in origin. But I am first and foremost a “good American” who values American lives.

    Everything I said was based on actual history; something that you or anyone else could have learned yourself had you bothered to look it up.

    My first reply still applies. You should be ashamed of yourself to sully the name of a genuine American hero who made it possible that you can carry on your diatribes here. If Hitler or Tojo had their way you would have been sent off to one of their detention camps where you would have had to subsist on one of their patented 800 calorie diets sufficient to keep you alive long enough before the next group of slave laborers came along to replace you and to throw your 60 pound corpse on the burn pile. That was the war that Tibbitts ended. That’s actual history and you can look it up if you don’t believe me. You are entitled to your opinions but not your own facts.

    “We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.” – Winston Churchill

  13. “UH Says:
    November 5th, 2007 at 4:07 pm

    #305

    If everyone is so interested in facts, why have my comments been totally ignored? (#259) You’re obviously not interested in anything but your own opinions, so we’ll deal with those:”

    ===========================================================
    The reason I ignored your post is because it is hogwash. I suggest a remedial history course. Regardless of what you think of America, the fact is that the Japanese were slaughtering the Chinese by the hundreds of thousands. Have you not heard of the Rape of Nanking? Here, let me help you.
    ———————————————————

    THE NANKING MASSACRE
    In 1928, the Chinese Nationalist Government moved the capital of China from Peking to Nanking. The city normally held about 250,000 people, but by the mid-1930′s its population had swollen to more than 1 million. Many of them were refugees, fleeing from the Japanese armies which had invaded China since 1931. On November 11, 1937, after securing control of Shanghai, the Japanese army advanced towards Nanking from different directions. In early December, the Japanese troops were already in the proximity of Nanking.

    On December 9, after unsuccessfully demanding the defending Chinese troops in Nanking to surrender, the Japanese troops launched a massive attack upon the city. On the 12th, the defending Chinese troops decided to retreat to the other side of Yangtze River. On the 13th of December, the 6th and the 116th Divisions of the Japanese Army first entered the city. At the same time, the 9th Division entered Guanghua Gate, and the 16th Division entered Zhongshan Gate and the Pacific Gate. In the afternoon, two Japanese Navy fleets arrived on both sides of the Yangtze River. On the same day, December 13th, 1937, Nanking fell to the Japanese. In the next six weeks, the Japanese committed the infamous Nanking Massacre, or the Rape of Nanking, during which an estimated 300,000 Chinese soldiers and civilians were killed, and 20,000 women were raped.

    During the Nanking Massacre, the Japanese committed a litany of atrocities against innocent civilians, including mass execution, raping, looting, and burning. It is impossible to keep a detailed account of all of these crimes. However, from the scale and the nature of these crimes as documented by survivors and the diaries of the Japanese militarists, the chilling evidence of this historical tragedy is indisputable…

    (Snip)

    http://arts.cuhk.edu.hk/NanjingMassacre/NMNJ.html

  14. There is the “myth of the 1 million saved” which most Americans bought hook, line, and sinker, to assuage any guilt, then there is the ACTUAL history. The latter has been well researched by Gar Alperovitz in several books. Alperovitz has been on the faculty of Harvard and U. of Maryland, a fellow with the Brookings Institute, and formerly with the State Department. He is no flake.

    http://www.amazon.com/Decision.....038;sr=1-1

    By April 12, 1945, the day of President Franklin Roosevelt’s untimely death, he, Gen. Douglas MacArthur, and Adm. Chester Nimitz had led the United States and Australia to assured victory in the Pacific Theater. Already, Japan’s Emperor Hirohito was negotiating surrender with President Roosevelt, and other U.S.A. allies, working through Pope Pius XII’s acting secretary for diplomatic affairs, Giovanni Montini (later Pope Paul VI). At the time Roosevelt died, the islands of Japan were already effectively blockaded; Japan’s military situation was hopeless. Surrender on the Emperor’s proposed terms was virtually assured within a few more months, as the logistical noose tightened sufficiently to end all Japan military leaders’ resistance to the Emperor’s will. At the time, the best U.S. guess for surrender was Autumn 1945, by no later than November.

    There was no need for a military invasion of the islands of Japan. There was no military reason for dropping those nuclear weapons on two cities, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, of a Japan which had been utterly defeated; there was only a British geopolitical motive, which had almost nothing to do with Japan as such.

    Alperovitz contends that Winston Churchill worked on Truman to go ahead with the bombs, not so much to end a war that was coming to an end, but to give notice to the Soviet Union which the UK greatly feared now with the defeat of Germany. Truman was actually “out of the loop” and didn’t even know about the highly classified Manhattan Project until he was sworn in as president. He didn’t know about the successful detonation of the first bomb in New Mexico until late July only a few weeks before two bombs were used on Japan. If more had been known about the development of the bombs, maybe the U.S. wouldn’t have given so much away to the Soviets at Yalta and Potsdam, bringing in the Soviets after the war was essentially over, but then our honoring the agreements which gave the Soviets North Korea has led to the problems in Korea ever since. It turns out we didn’t need the Soviet Union in the Pacific theater after all, even if we had run the course of a conventional war and not dropped the bombs.

  15. #317

    “Regardless of what you think of America, the fact is that the Japanese were slaughtering the Chinese by the hundreds of thousands. Have you not heard of the Rape of Nanking? Here, let me help you.”

    I guess you weren’t listening too well(as is usual with the ignorant)when I referred to the Asian conflict at the beginning of my comment. In that, I stated that America had no concern whatsoever for the plight of the Chinese, whom they (America) considered a communist threat, and actually applauded the Japanese for “standing against communism” by invading China. How two-faced is that? Here YOU are, playing the great benefactor in your ‘concern’ for the plight of those that your parents didn’t deem worthy of even living!

    And, of course, this has NOTHING to do with what caused Japan to enter into conflict with the US, but is merely a side-stepping tactic to avoid the accusation and fact that America goaded the Japanese into a fight and then cried foul when they responded! Now, according to your warped interpretation of events, Japan is the bad guy, and was deserving of extinction because they had the bad judgement to resist a totalitarian power that refused to cut them any slack economically or otherwise!

    America made no bones at all about invading first Afghanistan and then Iraq on the PRETENSE that they, themselves, were attacked by terrorists, and even later admissions by a SCUMBAG administration that WMD’s didn’t really exist at all doesn’t seem to phase you at all, does it? America, in your view, is justified in doing any goddamn thing it wants BECAUSE it’s America… right?

    Kamikazes were deemed deluded fanatics because they gave their lives when all other resources were exhausted. Americans doing that would be deemed heroes! Tibbets is deemed a hero because he dropped the big one on the enemy, but if it had been a Japanese pilot that dropped it on New York, he’d have been worse than the Antichrist, right?

    Here’s a newsflash for you, Mule, your intel is HEAVILY biased in favor of a corrupt administration’s interpretation of history, obviously to cover their tracks in what was an atrocity on the part of so-called democracy. The only hogwash around here is yours and the troll’s constant rhetorical yammering and bleating of elitist dogma spoon-fed to a gullible public for generations!

    The Nazis had their idea of what constituted a “master race” too, son, and you’re hovering mighty close to that kind of judgemental attitude with your racist insinuations about a people and culture you know squat about. If they were totalitarian in their dealings with China, think back to Tiananmen Square and what the Chinese did to their own. Hell, think back to the American Civil War and see what Americans did to THEIR own!

    We’re one big ‘happy’ family!

  16. Whether the bomb actually shortened the war or not is moot when the conflict didn’t even have to START in the first place!

    Typical. Argue over fixing the barn door AFTER the horse gets out!

  17. I guess you weren’t listening too well(as is usual with the ignorant)when I referred to the Asian conflict at the beginning of my comment. In that, I stated that America had no concern whatsoever for the plight of the Chinese, whom they (America) considered a communist threat, and actually applauded the Japanese for “standing against communism” by invading China. How two-faced is that? Here YOU are, playing the great benefactor in your ‘concern’ for the plight of those that your parents didn’t deem worthy of even living!

    That’s pure hooey. China wasn’t communist when the Japanese invaded. The U.S. didn’t consider China a communist threat then because it wasn’t, nor was the U.S. considering that a benefit. It’s total fabrication to claim the U.S. thought the Japanese invasion was “standing against communism.” There were Americans who advocated Japan’s “right” to establish an empire, just as there were Americans who thought the Germans on the correct side in Europe, in the 1930s. But you ascribe much later anti-communist views to a U.S. that simply didn’t have such ideas at the time, and you ascribe a communist government to China that didn’t exist until well after the Japanese were defeated, and after a civil war in China.

  18. Many people seem to believe that if there’s two choices one must be good and the other evil. Often, however, both are evil and the lesser evil must be chosen. Bombing Hiroshima was (probably) the lesser of two evils. It was still an evil, brutal and cowardly act.

  19. I read on a neocon blog recently in the comment section that the Japanese refused to surrender and said they would if these bombs were dropped and even after they were, they didn’t surrender right off the bat. So, was it really a heroic act if the Japanese leaders were waiting around for these bombs to be dropped? I don’t think so.

    My opinion still stands the same. If George Bush instructs his fly boys to drop a nuke on Iraq, Iran, or even Pakistan, I will not embrace it. I will spit on that asshole too!

    I’d love to see a nuclear-free world, but that isn’t going to happen. Too many big egos in powerful positions!

  20. “Whether the bomb actually shortened the war or not is moot when the conflict didn’t even have to START in the first place!

    Typical. Argue over fixing the barn door AFTER the horse gets out!”

    Typical person who hasn’t studied their history. When you say didn’t have to start in the first place do you mean diplomacy? Maybe imposing sanctions like many say should happen in Iran?

    If you’d studied your history you’d know that the US had been actively pressuring Japan, who had been an aggressor into China, to withdraw. When diplomatic pressure failed to yield results they tried economic pressure, hence the oil embargo.

    Please tell me how this war could have been avoided? Remember in Europe England and France tried to appease Hitler, and that got them in the same position, war.

  21. #322

    The Communist party was established as early as 1921 in China, and WAS considered a threat prior to 1941 and it’s eventual nationalization in 1949. The beginning of the 1930′s would see a steady encroachment of Marxism, and despite your attempts to rewrite history, would pose a concern to other nations at that time, the US being no exception.

    Kay, nuclear power is a useful energy alternative, but NUTCASE politicians and warmongering elitists make it into something evil. So, because of those bastards, we all suffer for want of an efficient energy alternative. One can’t even mention the term “nuclear” without a negative connotation applied to it.

    So, as usual, because of the nut-bars in the world, the world has to limit itself to more expensive and dirtier forms of energy. And as for war, well, all of the trolls here are for that by their comments. Tibbets is just a tool to them… an icon they use to push their martial philosophy upon everyone else. They really don’t give a rat’s ass about Tibbets the man at all, or society, for that matter.

    As long as THEY don’t have to fight, that is!
    ;-)

  22. #325

    “If you’d studied your history you’d know that the US had been actively pressuring Japan, who had been an aggressor into China, to withdraw. When diplomatic pressure failed to yield results they tried economic pressure, hence the oil embargo.”

    Here we go again! Another one that doesn’t read very well, but has lot’s to say. My whole point in this discussion was NOT to deny the Asian conflict (now pay attention!) only to establish what the American public’s sentiment toward China’s political concerns were. And I hope the other ‘professors’ acknowledge that YOU have acknowledged my comments on the US employing oil embargoes and other pressure tactics which led to the Japanese aggression toward the US.

    And another point lost on those programmed by generations of elitist dogma is that no one nation has the right to dictate terms for any other, and even if America doesn’t like the politics of any other nation, or what it does to it’s neighbors, that doesn’t give it the sovereign right to police them! That’s why we’re always in a state of war with SOMEONE, because American imperialism just can’t not TOUCH!

    War is NEVER a viable alternative, unless a definite en masse invasion upon one’s own soil occurs! And I hope you’re not going to do a real stupid and tell me that’s what happened on 911! I’d really be disappointed! (But not surprised.)

    If nations would stop meddling in one another’s affairs, there would be no problems. Unfortunately, the globalist attitude is FIXED upon society, now, and the “New World Order” world-commune bullshit has everyone snowed into thinking society can’t live as independent sovereign nations.

  23. #327,

    Interesting side-stepping of the issue. How would you have stopped WW2? You stated the war didn’t have to start? So I’m listening as to how you would have stopped it when one side doesn’t care and will lie to you to get you to turn your back then stab you in the back. How do you negotiate with someone who doesn’t keep their word? How would you have dealt with Germany, Italy and Japan? Ignored them?

  24. “War is NEVER a viable alternative, unless a definite en masse invasion upon one’s own soil occurs! And I hope you’re not going to do a real stupid and tell me that’s what happened on 911! I’d really be disappointed! (But not surprised.)”

    I generally don’t talk about 9/11 because too many people are nut cases when it comes to that. Surprised I haven’t heard that UFOs really did it, and it was all an illusion, the buildings are really still standing we just can see them or the people because they’ve been sent to another dimension. *all sarcasm* (if you believe any of this, I have some ocean front properity in Arizona I want to sell you)

  25. #328

    “Interesting side-stepping of the issue.”

    You were the one that did that, not me, stupid. Read my comments from the beginning, dummy.

    “How would you have dealt with Germany, Italy and Japan? Ignored them?”

    Yup. Exactly. And that’s what would have happened if a corrupt hierarchy controlling the US Government hadn’t set up Pearl Harbor. You probably would have nuked them… right Einstein?

    And as for buying your ocean front property, hey… if you were stupid enough to buy it in the first place, don’t expect me to bail you out! :lol:

    Go back to sleep, clueless! Bu$h wants you to!

  26. Kuchinich believes when the New York govenor proposed giving illegal aliens drivers liscenses he thought he meant giving space aliens liscenses! Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!

    He believes that! Just like liberals believe Bush and Cheney brought down the WTC’s! Loons!

    Edited by Kay:

    How many ILLEGAL aliens are going to run down to get their picture taken for these IDs? Do you know, Brain Surgeon? And how do you know Spitzer isn’t using this as a backdoor to round up the illegals? Ever think of that, Cannonball Head?

  27. World War II actually began right after WWI when primarily France and Great Britain forced a most vindictive Versailles Treaty upon Germany, plunging the latter into an economic depression which eventually helped Hitler appear to be the savior of the German people. The treaty, which formally ended the war, did little to address unresolved issues and actually promoted international distrust and resentment. The ensuing harsh economic conditions, first affecting the German people, then spread, devastating millions of people as the economic depression spread to most parts of the world.

    Strong feelings of resentment, guilt, and fierce anger plagued the disillusioned citizens of the countries involved, and overrode thoughts of reason in much of the world. If world leaders had addressed these issues at the time and taken steps to create international trust, cooperated to lessen economic burdens, and defused resentment among Europe’s citizens, World War II might have been avoided.

    Hitler and his fascist team then built upon the resentment, and promoted rampant nationalism as a tool to consolidate power, with the resulting jingoism promoted by his propagandists blinding most of the German people. Many Germans finally realized they had helped to birth a monster, but by then, it was too late to oppose the Reich, as the borders had all been fenced, there was little chance to escape. It was fight for the Reich or go to the concentration camps.

    Then there was Stalin developing his great power in the vacuum of other nations more obsessed with their own agendas. Would Stalin have not gone so far if not for a divided Europe? What would have been the history of the Soviet Union then? No cold war, no Korea, no Vietnam, etc.! Sadly, diplomacy is often overlooked for the “easier” approach, going to war. Plus the latter is more profitable for many in the military/industrial complex.

    The U.S. doesn’t have clean hands, either. Hitler also had help from Americans to build his Reich, industrialists, bankers, etc., folks like Thomas Watson of IBM, Henry Ford, Prescott Bush, and others to help him build up his Reich.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/.....40,00.html
    http://www.theatlantic.com/doc.....2001-04-04

    Sure, by the late 30′s, attempts at diplomacy were probably futile but such overtures should have been made years earlier. “History” is often part of a nation’s own propaganda often under the control of our politicians. What we have learned in our schools here sometimes is not the history that children in other nations learn. The history of our times may be somewhat different in the future when current prejudices and political agendas no longer matter.

  28. First off, the communist bitch have let you all’s comments stand
    simply because she don’t know how to erase them…

    Second, The Japs murdered more defenseless civilian people, fact, twice as many as Gengis Khan
    and they did it the same manner, with saber and bayonet, one by one, millions
    of them, just for sadistic pleasure.

    And practically no one have paid for it, thank to King Mac Arthur’s protection!!!

    They should have nuke the ugly creeps until none of their sordid kind was left!!!

    All these leftards do here is justify all the tyrants, Hitler, Stalin, Mao etc…who where all swell
    and for everything, it’s all America’s fault.

    I hope to live long enough to see these creepy slimes hung alongside the Muslim invaders!!!

    GIVE WAR A CHANCE!!!

    IT RID US OF GERMANS, JAPANESES AND BANKRUPTED RUSSIA.

    SYRIA, SAUDIA AND IRAN TO GO!!!

    Edited by Kay:

    Actually, the comments are here because I believe (most days unless I’m fed up with you bottom feeders!) in the freedom of speech, whereas, you assholes have proven to me over and over that you don’t like it at all! I could delete the whole post taking the comments with it, but I won’t. Why? Because I’m not a surrender monkey like you say I am! Ha ha.

    If a nuke is dropped on America, I’ll take it to mean it’s an act of love and kindness according to you reich wing trolls.

  29. Ming the Moron:

    Learn to spell, asshole! What a retard… can’t form sentences, can’t spell, can’t organize a thought…

    Give war a chance? Hey, I hear they need landmine detectors over in “Eye-rack”… there’s your chance, dung beetle! Give war a chance! Welfare obviously ain’t workin’ for ya!

    Must suck to be a fool in the 21st. Century!
    :lol:

  30. Comment 290: “What did Bush do during Vietnam? Did he volunteer to fight in Vietnam or did he hide out under Daddy’s coat?”

    BILL CLINTON=DRAFT DODGER
    BILL CLINTON=DRAFT DODGER
    BILL CLINTON=DRAFT DODGER

    DENNIS KUCINICH=DRAFT DODGER
    DENNIS KUCINICH=DRAFT DODGER
    dENNIS KUCINICH=DRAFT DODGER

    JOHN EDWARDS=DRAFT DODGER
    JOHN EDWARDS=DRAFT DODGER
    jOHN EDWARDS=DRAFT DODGER

    Comment 41 by Kay: “I woke up this morning still hating what Tibbetts did and I still hate war!”

    Comment 9 by Kay: “I don’t like torture, raping, bombing, poisoning, and killing.”

    We can gather from her words that Kay hates war.

    We can gather from her words that Kay disapproves of “torture, raping, bombing, poisoning, and killing.”

    Kay must really hate Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Madeleine Albright and Wesley Clark then for all the thousands and thousands of deaths of innocent civilians they are responsible for in Bosnia – Kosovo and Iraq.

    Clinton’s economic sanctions on Iraq that put an embargo on such things as medicine killed – depending on whose figures one goes by – between 300,000 – 600-000 babies and Iraqi children.

    You must really hate Clinton and Clark for all the bombings in Bosnia, which killed tens of thousands of babies, children and elderly people.

    And you must really hate the UN Blue Helmets who were found guilty of raping young kills, and killing civilians.

    But you would never admit this because then you would find fault, blame and disapprove of your own Progressive party, the one of which you are a member.

    Oh wait, no you won’t condemn them, because then you have to condemn your own political party, right?

    Kay claims that she hates death, death of Iraqis, death of soldiers – but she loves the death of people like Paul Tibbets.

    Kay loves Death. Don’t pretend you don’t Kay – otherwise you will be a hypocrite which you claim you are not.

    Kay doesn’t care if women are raped. She cheered on the raping of Nanking. Oh wait, she doesn’t know that the rape of Nanking is. She probably thinks it’s “Nan King”, a person.

    KKKay loves death, bombing and destruction when its done by a Democrat Administration.

    Kay loves when babies and children die when its done by Democrats and people like Wesley Clark.

    She just doesn’t approve when the same thing is done by Republicans.

    See how consistent and logical she is?

    THE FOLLOWING ESCAPE CRITICISM FROM KAY BECAUSE THEY ARE DEMOCRATS:

    WESLEY CLARK=MURDERER OF THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS IN BOSNIA

    BILL CLINTON=DRAFT DODGER, EMBARGO OF MEDICINE TO IRAQ ALLOWING CHILDREN AND OLD PEOPLE TO DIE

    MADELINE ALBRIGHT=EMBARGO OF MEDICINE TO IRAQ LETTING CHILDREN AND OLD PEOPLE DIE

    DENNIS KUCINICH=DRAFT DODGER

    JOHN EDWARDS=DRAFT DODGER

    LYNDON JOHNSON=MASS MURDERER, SENT THOUSANDS OF U.S. BOYS TO THEIR DEATHS IN ‘NAM

    JIMM CARTER=MASS MURDERER WITH OPERATION EAGLE CLAW

    KAY=LOUD, UNEDUCATED, LOUD, REMOVED FROM REALITY, LOUD AND FACT-CHALLENGED

    Kay, since you’re so against violence, if you were attacked we would expect you to completely appease the attacker because fighting back would be violent and wrong.

    All KKKay does is parrot a line or phrase she picks up on ABlog or DU. She’s not smart enough to come up with any original thoughts or ideas. She simply parrots hatred and discrimination.

    She’s a nobody.

    KAY=LOUD, OVERLY-SIMPLISTIC, HYSTERICAL, HATER, SINGLE-MOM(=BIG SURPRISE!)

    KAY=TEXT BOOK CASE OF “A LITTLE KNOWLEDGE IS A DANGEROUS THING”

    Edited by Kay:

    Wow neocon knuckledragging troll. I obviously hit a nerve! Good for me. *slapping myself five*

    Here’s a little tidbit for ya:

    GEORGE BUSH = HID UNDER DADDY’S COAT TAILS TO AVOID GOING TO VIETNAM

    DICK CHENEY = FIVE DEFERMENTS

    RUSH LIMBAUGH = ANAL CYST, SO HE COULDN’T HOLD A GUN IN VIETNAM APPARENTLY! DEFERMENT.

  31. kay has no problem and is reserved from many any criticism when democrats commit acts of violence against America.

    Oklahoma City Bombing under Clinton and the arab men with Tim McVeigh? Oh, those killings were just fine with KKKay because it was done under a democrat.

    http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/.....article.do

    Edited by Kay:

    What happened that day was an abomination. Of course, Tim McVeigh was a disgruntled soldier who served under Bush Sr. and he stated that he didn’t like what we did in Iraq back then.

    I don’t like killing, murder, bombing, raping, or torturing. I’ve made that perfectly clear in every post I’ve done on my blog. I bet you do though, huh neocon????

  32. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing in the heads of trolls. To debunk a few things….

    John Edwards wasn’t old enough for any draft until the LAST one during the Vietnam War on February 2, 1972 lottery, when his number was 179. He was already an undergrad at the U of North Carolina at the time, graduating in 1974 when he then entered law school. He was not a draft dodger.

    Dennis Kucinich’s draft number was 283 and he was not called up while he was attending Cleveland State and Case Western Reserve U. A student deferment was a better reason for not being drafted than college “flunk-out” Rush Limpballs who claimed to have a cyst on his ass in order to get a medical deferment.

    As for “tens of thousands” killed in the Serbian war, do some research rather than rely on reich-wing talking points:

    Yugoslavia claimed that NATO attacks caused between 1,200 and 5,700 civilian casualties. NATO acknowledged killing at most 1,500 civilians. Human Rights Watch counted a minimum of 488 civilian deaths (90 to 150 of them killed from cluster bomb use) in 90 separate incidents. In the NATO air war, not one U.S. soldier was killed. Unlike Iraq, the U.S. was part of a REAL coalition of NATO nations.

    Jimmy Carter a “mass murderer”….what a joke, but once again, not surprised by the ignorance of the poster who doesn’t bother doing any research. Due to a sand storm, Operation Eagle Claw failed. The only deaths were three USMC aircrew who died in their RH-53D helicopter when it collided with a C-130, killing 5 airmen aboard. Carter was being blamed for not bringing the Iranian hostage crisis to an end. Reagan and Bush made a secret deal to illegally sell weapons to the Iranians (through an Israeli middleman) IF Iran held onto our Americans until after the election. At the moment of Reagan’s inaugural address, Iran honored their part of the deal with Reagan and freed them. Then Poppy Bush pardoned all of the Iran-Contra convicts as he was leaving office in 1993.

    And where was George W. Bush during the LOST last 17 months of his Texas Air National Guard obligation when he was AWOL (really was a deserter due to the time involved). Funny how every vet I know has no problem getting their whole military career on microfilm, down to every shot they ever were given, BUT it so happens that ALL of George W. Bush’s military records were LOST! How convenient!!

  33. It absolutely astonishes me with the revisionism of history by the loony left here. Such statements that all wars are avoidable. Like we should have ignored Pearl Harbor. That we should have ignored the butchering of millions in the death camps of Europe and Japan.

    I don’t know what is in the water than you drink but I think some of Timothy Leary’s leftover LSD must have gotten there.

    Has any of you actually talked to a surviving WWII vet who had his orders to report to the Pacific theater? That’s a yes or no question. That’s why the bomb was dropped.

    Tibbetts is a great American hero that will be remembered as such by all red blooded American patriots. His name will not be dragged through the mud by those who despise America as I sense several here do. This is why the Dumbocrats don’t elect presidents anymore. That left-wing party, formerly of FDR, Truman and Kennedy has been taken over by screwballs and their brand of lunacy. Your time is up. Get over it. You’re not going to have your Marxist paradise here in the United States, the land of the free and the home of the brave. But you are welcome to emigrate to Cuba, North Korea or even Chavezland. They’ll throw their arms open to embrace you. And don’t let the door hit you in the buttocks on the way out.


    Edited by Kay:

    If you had read my comments you would have seen that I said if I had stated Tibbetts dropped the bomb on Jamaica, it still wouldn’t matter! Get it? He is not a hero in my book. He is a coward. There is nothing you and your troll friends can say to change my mind. Nothing!

  34. *Wrapped in flag, smoking corncob pipe, and goose-stepping to the last paragraph of #338*

    Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
    Ãœber alles in der Welt,
    Wenn es stets zu Schutz und Trutze
    Brüderlich zusammenhält,
    Von der Maas bis an die Memel,
    Von der Etsch bis an den Belt
    Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
    Ãœber alles in der Welt.

    Heil Boosh und Cheney! Amerikanisch Schweinen!

    *Goose-stepping off into sunset*
    :lol:

  35. How dare you besmirch the name of an honorable man, and by extension, all the honorable men that gave their all so you can spew your garbage.

  36. I believe that Paul Tibbetts did the right thing, besides he was the pilot, show how little people know. A PILOT, if you knew anything you’d know it was Major Thomas Ferebee, the bombardier who actually caused the plane to drop the bomb.

    My personal opinion of the Atomic bombs comes from a teacher I once had in 8th grade. He’d been assigned to the 7th wave of the invasion force of Japan and firmly believed the atomic bombs saved his life. He’d be very disappointed he fought for your freedom if he was still alive today. He’d also be quite diappointed in some people’s view on history (UH’s) and how little they actually know. UH go spent a few more years reading about it and try talking to those few who are left, you might actually learn something!

  37. “What did Bush do during Vietnam? Did he volunteer to fight in Vietnam or did he hide out under Daddy’s coat?”

    GWB flew the most dangerous Fighter jet of it’s time ignoramus. Do some research on just how dangerous the F-102 was and how many pilots were killed “TRYING” to flying it. You would have friggin heart attack just climbing the ladder to get in to the cockpit.

    “Much of the USAF F-102 fleet was also transferred to Air National Guard units that became increasingly responsible for defending the continental US from nuclear bombers during the 1960s and 1970s”.

    It must really suck being a a total idiot but your reputation precedes you.

  38. John Edwards born in 1953. By 1971 he was elegible for military service – age 18. He was in college? so what? He dodged the draft. Nice attempt at spin you made, good effort.

    Got a link on the Kucinich info you list? Why not? Is it bullshit? Probably so.

    Grantinhouston, where do you get your numbers on the figures of dead in Bosnia Kosovo war? From a US source? NATO? UN? Try a Bosnian source, think they might be reliable?:

    KOSOVO:
    According to Dragan Popović, who administers the project, the Foundation has by now documented 9,702 people dead or missing during the war in Kosovo. Of this number, as things stand now , 4,903 killed and missing are Albanians and 2,322 are Serbs, with the rest either belonging to other nationalities or their ethnic identity remaining uncertain. ‘According to a rough estimate’, Popović told Globus, ‘between 10,000 and 12,000 Albanians and around 2,500 Serbs were killed or went missing in 1998-2000. Our research will show the extent to which this estimate is close to the truth.’

    CROATIA:
    Up to the year 2000, the number of dead and missing was judged to be between 16,000 and 17,500.

    Croatian government reckons with the death and disappearance of 13,500 of its citizens.

    Summary
    The IDC data-base as of 31 December 2006 contains the names, and a description of the manner of death, of 97,826 victims, of whom 66.11% are Bosniaks, 25.54% are Serbs, 7.85% are Croats, and 0.5% are others. Most of the dead and missing are soldiers (59%), rather than civilians (41%). ‘Our statistics do not include those who died during the war from frost and hunger, or babies who died in incubators due to electricity failure’, says Larisa Musulin from IDC.

    Now we all know Bush haters like you, Grant, will count any incidental death in Iraq and blame it on Bush adding that death to the number count of Iraqis killed because of “Bushes War”. Right?

    KAY=TEXT BOOK CASE OF “A LITTLE KNOWLEDGE IS A DANGEROUS THING”

    No KKKay, you didn’t hit a huge “never”. Its just so easy to tweak a kneejerk hosebag like you.

    Nice comment Murph on GWB flying F-102s in response to the idiots who falsely claim Bush hid under Daddy’s coat.

  39. KKKay’s dad is a coward because he served in the Army. He is a reich winger, goose-stepping, baby killing turd.

    KKKay’s brother is a coward, a baby killer and a reich wing knuckle-dragger because he served in the Air Force.

    KKKay’s cousin Scotty was in the first Persian Gulf War & today’s Iraq illegal invasion. Scotty is a warmonger, a coward and a baby killer.

    KKKay’s cousin Phil was in the first Persian Gulf War and this means that Phil is a coward, a baby killer, a warmonger and a reich wing knuckle-dragger.

    KKKay’s cousin Paula is in the Army. This means she is a warmonger, a baby killer, a reich winger, a coward and a knuckle-dragger.

    KKKay’s uncle was in the Korean War. This means he is a is a warmonger, a baby killer, a reich winger, a coward and a knuckle-dragger.

  40. Feel free to clearly ingore the conspiracy and massive cover-up of the Arabic-men, John Doe #2 and #3 connected to the OK City bombing. It’s fine with you that Clinton and Reno covered that up, isn’t it, Kay? You only bitch when enemy blood is shed by a Republican is in the White House. Thats all that matters to you is complete party loyalty. Heh – funny – ‘cuz that’s all that mattered to Hitler and his fascist little regime. You’re just like Hitler Kay, just like him.

  41. comment # 338 Grantinhouston

    ‘Reagan and Bush made a secret deal to illegally sell weapons to the Iranians (through an Israeli middleman) IF Iran held onto our Americans until after the election. At the moment of Reagan’s inaugural address, Iran honored their part of the deal with Reagan and freed them.’

    Gee that’s sure a funny accusation you make when a Democrat congress investigated just what you wrote and – twice, the House and the Senate investigations reached the same conclusion:

    a 1992 report concluded that “by any standard, the credible evidence now known falls far short of supporting the allegation of an agreement between the Reagan campaign and Iran to delay the release of the hostages.”

    Yep Grant, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing in the heads of trolls… stupid, blind by party loyalty trolls like you who sum everything up like this: Liberalism good; everything else bad.

  42. “Edited by Kay:

    If you had read my comments you would have seen that I said if I had stated Tibbetts dropped the bomb on Jamaica, it still wouldn’t matter! Get it? He is not a hero in my book. He is a coward. There is nothing you and your troll friends can say to change my mind. Nothing!”
    ===============================================================
    Would it have been better if Japan had nuked the U.S.? After Germany threw in the towel one of their U-boats was headed for Japan with nuclear material for the Japanese to make their own nukes to nuke us.

    Are American lives worth less to you than other groups? One would think so.

    You know of course that we only got into the nuclear business because Einstein came to the United States from Europe where he made it clear to our government that Germany was working on the atomic bomb. Otherwise the Manhatten Project would never have been started. It was began in order to counter Germany but Germany was taken out of the war before Japan was and Japan stubbornly refused to surrender.

    What I don’t get is that you have essentially two options to choose from. 1) You would have negotiated a “peace” with Japan short of a total surrender, or 2) you would have pursued a land invasion of Japan in order to bring the war to a conclusion.

    This is a simple question. Which option (1) or (2) would you prefer?

  43. To get the draft “lottery” number of anyone of draft age during the Vietnam era, all one needs is a birth date and the appropriate lottery (See link below). Kucinich was eligible for the December 1, 1969 lottery and he drew a high number, 283, and the highest number called up for military service from that pool was #195. Edwards, born in 1953 was eligible for the February 2, 1972 lottery. Edwards, being in the last callup in 1972, had a mid-range lottery number of 178 and due to the winding down of the war, those drafted that year held numbers up to and including #95. Then in July, 1973, the draft was totally abolished. So neither Kucinich or Edwards are draft dodgers since THEY WERE NEVER DRAFTED! Plus they were in college at the time and like most students had automatic education deferments in most cases, as long as they kept up a high enough grade point average.

    http://www.sss.gov/lotter1.htm

    I used the data of Human Rights Watch for casualty figures in the Serbian conflicts due to NATO bombing/strafing. There were NOT “tens of thousands” killed (per our TROLL) as result of NATO bombings, in which the U.S. participated as a partner. HRW is a neutral agency and was critical of NATO in their report, not exactly a cheerleader for death and destruction:

    http://www.hrw.org/reports/200.....#P88_14845

    Probably we will never know of the number of deaths caused by the civil war between Serbs, Kosovars, Bosnians, Croats, Albanians, etc. as there were wholesale massacres, mass graves, ethnic cleansing, all reasons why NATO finally stepped in for humanitarian reasons.

    BTW, we Texans are so grateful for our “Deserter-in-Chief” keeping our skies safe from the Vietnamese Air Force (that didn’t exist).

    http://www.ericblumrich.com/topgun.html

  44. I’d like to see a citation for the claim that Germany was sending nuclear material to Japan. I don’t think Germany had any material to send, nor was there a program advanced enough in Japan to use it. This was the topic of the famous meeting with Heisenberg in Copenhagen. Heck, even the play got the facts right.

    Einstein signed the letter to Roosevelt on behalf of other scientists, but Einstein had no first-hand knowledge of Germany’s efforts to build a bomb. Einstein also played almost no other role in the Manhattan Project.

    But you’re right in the conclusions, MM. I’ve long agonized over alternative possibilities. Especially after Iwo Jima, Saipan and Okinawa, the expectations were for millions of casualties on both sides, ten or twenty times the number of soldiers and civilians who died in the bomb blasts. I am unaware of any contrary predictions, even by the Japanese.

    C’mon over to my blog and look at my post on the Okinawa mass suicides, too. I’m not sure an atom bomb isn’t less of a horror.

  45. Ed, I gave my citations for this German transfer of nuclear material (or attempted transfer) and the post was removed. I guess the truth must hurt. Can’t let that get ahead of an ideologue, can we? This was amply covered on the History Channel not that long ago. Little known but it is a historical fact.

    Edited by Kay:

    Paranoid? You are the type that will believe the propaganda, now aren’t you! Bush & Cheney are spewing theirs all the time and you run and hide, now don’t ya???

    I bet you do, pansy.

  46. I was trying to give more than just one link. I gave exactly two. Since this is historical fact it cannot be disputed. The post originally appeared and when I checked back it was gone. I thought it might have been pulled although I was responding to your specific request. Took a little digging around but I had seen this program on the History Channel not that long ago so I knew there had to be something else to link to.

    I cannot overemphasize how strongly the American people felt at that time. The public was sick and tired of the war and virtually every family felt the pain and sorrow of losing a loved one. My grandmother had to wait for nine months to find out whether her “missing in action” son (my uncle) was still alive. He was on the second wave at Omaha Beach but was captured and spent nine months in a German prison camp. Because the Germans knew they were going to lose the war (although Hitler didn’t accept that) he was treated fairly well. Most people don’t know or appreciate that just four months prior to Hitler blowing his brains out, the Battle of the Bulge took place, which was the largest land operation in world military history. We lost over 19,000 American dead in that one operation alone. Our folks in the Japanese area were treated horribly which is one reason that McArthur summarily hanged some 500 Japanese prison commandantes so they wouldn’t wiggle off a war crimes tribunal as many higher ups later did.

    One only has to talk to one of the surviving WWII vets with orders to report for the expected invasion of the Japanese homeland to appreciate how grateful they were that the bombs were dropped. To a man they assumed they would be killed and frankly that is how many of them survived the war. They assumed they would be killed, even over in Europe and because they did they would not be dissappointed but only overjoyed if they actually did survive. One only has to see the joy in the streets of America at the time to know how palpable the relief was at the end of the war. 16,000,000 Americans wore uniforms during that war and we lost approximately 410,000 dead Americans and many more wounded. In total some 60,000,000 human beings died during that conflict. Today’s generation has no concept of the sacrifice that went into winning that unavoidable war. No concept nor apparent appreciation. That’s a terrible shame.

    Edited by Kay:

    It’s called war propaganda. Yes there were REAL threats back then. Christ, we had German U-boats off the coast of Portland, Maine during WWII. No matter what was going on back then, still today, I don’t see or view Tibbets as a hero. I see him as a coward. He spent his whole life profiting from dropping the A-bomb. Disgusting! He’s a jackass too.

  47. WHAT? NO RESPONSE FROM KKKAY ON MY COMMENTS?

    IS THAT BECAUSE SHE CANT DEFEND HERSELF FROM WHAT SHE CALLS OTHER MILITARY SOLDIERS AND HOW HER OWN FAMILIY IS A BUNCH OF REICH WING BOOTLICKING NAZI BABY KILLERS?

    KKKay’s dad is a coward because he served in the Army. He is a reich winger, goose-stepping, baby killing turd.

    KKKay’s brother is a coward, a baby killer and a reich wing knuckle-dragger because he served in the Air Force.

    KKKay’s cousin Scotty was in the first Persian Gulf War & today’s Iraq illegal invasion. Scotty is a warmonger, a coward and a baby killer.

    KKKay’s cousin Phil was in the first Persian Gulf War and this means that Phil is a coward, a baby killer, a warmonger and a reich wing knuckle-dragger.

    KKKay’s cousin Paula is in the Army. This means she is a warmonger, a baby killer, a reich winger, a coward and a knuckle-dragger.

    KKKay’s uncle was in the Korean War. This means he is a is a warmonger, a baby killer, a reich winger, a coward and a knuckle-dragger.

  48. WHAT? NO RESPONSE FROM KKKAY ON MY COMMENTS?

    IS THAT BECAUSE SHE CANT DEFEND HERSELF FROM WHAT SHE CALLS OTHER MILITARY SOLDIERS AND HOW HER OWN FAMILIY IS A BUNCH OF REICH WING BOOTLICKING NAZI BABY KILLERS?

    KKKay’s dad is a coward because he served in the Army. He is a reich winger, goose-stepping, baby killing turd.

    KKKay’s brother is a coward, a baby killer and a reich wing knuckle-dragger because he served in the Air Force.

    KKKay’s cousin Scotty was in the first Persian Gulf War & today’s Iraq illegal invasion. Scotty is a warmonger, a coward and a baby killer.

    KKKay’s cousin Phil was in the first Persian Gulf War and this means that Phil is a coward, a baby killer, a warmonger and a reich wing knuckle-dragger.

    KKKay’s cousin Paula is in the Army. This means she is a warmonger, a baby killer, a reich winger, a coward and a knuckle-dragger.

    KKKay’s uncle was in the Korean War. This means he is a is a warmonger, a baby killer, a reich winger, a coward and a knuckle-dragger.

    all of them, baby killing reich winger boot licking nazis who hate America. All of them. ALL OF THEM!!!!!!!

    Edited by Kay:

    Wow. A little obsessed are we? I bet you long for me every night and you are so upset because you’re a knuckle dragging neocon with no life instead of a liberal man with a brain in his head! Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. Too bad for you, neocon. I don’t date toads. LOL

  49. Christ, we had German U-boats off the coast of Portland, Maine during WWII.

    Its too bad they didn’t kill your parents thereby sparing us your hate and intolerence. I spit on your parents and someday piss on their tombstones.

  50. Edited by Kay:

    It’s called war propaganda. Yes there were REAL threats back then. Christ, we had German U-boats off the coast of Portland, Maine during WWII. No matter what was going on back then, still today, I don’t see or view Tibbets as a hero. I see him as a coward. He spent his whole life profiting from dropping the A-bomb. Disgusting! He’s a jackass too.
    ==============================================================
    Kay, you still haven’t answered the salient question. You have two options facing the United States after Germany surrendered. The Japanese did not surrender no matter how strong we implored them to do so. Which option do you prefer? 1) A land invasion of the Japanese home island or 2) the nuclear option.

    Given such a choice, and if you were one of the American dogfaces who were going to have to storm the beaches of Japan, which would you prefer be done? Try to put yourself in their shoes.

    This is a simple question. You have already made it clear what you think of Tibbetts. Fine and good. Now tell that G.I. who has to put his life on the line what your decision will be. Imagine yourself in Harry Truman’s shoes. Do you invade or do you drop the bomb? That’s a simple and direct question. Please respond.

  51. Kay, why won’t you respond? I asked you a reasonable question. Surely you can provide a reasoned argument. I await your reply.

  52. i met paul tibbetts and im related to him believe it or not,(not that this has anything to do with me sticking on his side about this convosation) but all im saying is the words he told me which could not have been more simple for this whole situation i met him at a library in newport RI where he was doing book singing and to one of his old friends right there in front of me i witnessed him saying the following….”killed many, saved many more” now if that doesnt tell you that he knows what he has done but does know its for america’s own good….???? i don’t know what does…..

  53. Um…fuck you, you bleeding, communist, dogsucking cunt. Scum like you need to be take up against the wall and shot. That is, after you’ve been thrown in some prison like Attica and gang raped until you can’t keep your shit from flowing.

    I hope you look foreward to going to hell, because that’s where bastards like you wind up!

  54. Hey, that picture of the fried body. Does your father know you’ve been posting that picture of your mom on your blog without his permission?

  55. As disgusted as I was when I finished reading the rant, I was overjoyed to see an outpouring of rational thought coming from nearly 250 people that found this website. For the most part, the responses have been factual and kind.

    I would like to apologize for any of those who made personal remarks about you or your family.

    Kay, there are very few people in the world, not just America, that would ever will a single person to die, soldier or civilian. However, the world operates on a grand scale and decisions cannot be made with the hindsight of 60 years. Even if they could, what is right in the moment could be wrong in 50 years and right again in 100, what information would we trust?

    I understand your desperation and your rage toward this individual. While he may have done some dumb things in his life, I can assure you he agonized over those deaths externally or otherwise.

    Try to take solace in the fact that we all try to make decisions based on our knowledge of right and wrong, as we learn it, and the facts as we know them.

  56. It’s my opinion and it still stands. Deal with it. If you think I HAVE to have the same opinion as you, then maybe it’s time for you to move to Uzbekistan where only one thought is allowed. Okay?

    Thanks for stopping by.

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